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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Global Warming...
    Posted: 14 May 2008 at 5:05pm
As often as we discuss it, thought it deserved it's own topic.

Interesting European viewpoint here.
. And the benefit? If Denmark sticks to this decision throughout the rest of this century, it will spend more than €200 billion (Dh1.1 trillion) to postpone global warming by five days. ($307 U.S. Billion)
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Ran into the above while searching for more info about:
Obama visited the general-election battleground of Michigan to tout plans for a $150 billion clean technologies fund to create new jobs and promote fuel-efficient vehicles.
  Never heard of the "$150 billion clean technologies fund"....and didn't find any more info about it. But did run into the link above.

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$150 billion clean technologies fund?

You 'n me.
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2008 at 1:11pm
Here ya be:

Mankind is the 'Earth's biggest threat'

Get rid of humans and this would be a nice planet to live on.

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  Quote alf123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 1:08pm
t'aint no laughing matter. Here at Scarborough we're losing houses to the sea at an ever increasing rate. In fact the whole coast of Yorkshire is retreating ever faster, and before long whole communities will be lost.
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 1:14pm

alf - The laugh part is that humans are causing it. I live in an area that was once completely covered by what is now the Gulf of Mexico. Dig into the limestone and you'll find fossils of sea creatures.

Just north of me was the souther edge of the Artic ice cap.

Weather happens. It gets colder, it gets warmer, it floods, there's a drought.

Things change because that is the great cycle of nature, not because I drive a pickup.

Now that's NOT to say that there isn't a lot to be said for conservation, I just don't like people trying to sucker me into it so they can line their pockets.

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 2:49pm
Well. My memory is fuzzy. Assuming that the entire world was a Garden of Eden original...maybe ice caps and such isn't the "natural" order of the world? (Just a wild thought.)
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2008 at 6:11am
While channel surfing last night I came across a Hal Lindsey program. It caught my ear as it was talking about climate change and such. Tried to find a transcript of it online, but no such luck.

Actually it was a kind of a "thinking" segment. How much is "global warming aka Al Goreness" and how much is just naturally occurring changes.  And how much is due just to modern communications. (In olden days...folks wouldn't hear about natural disasters until years or decades later. Today...we watch it while it's happening. So...it just 'seems' the world is worse today than yesterday.)

It wasn't an extreme show...more of a "think for yourselves" show. (Encouraged people to look to climate history over the centuries rather than 30 second media sound bytes before making global conclusions. )

He did mention a climate change prediction from the seventies that is interesting. I think it may have been mentioned before, but it's still interesting.
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2008 at 6:18am

Hehe, I have a scan of that original article that I pull out every once in a while and show off.

I do have a memory of when the article came out and if it's a good memory that was a cover article.

Made quite an impact on me at the time since I'm not a fan of cold weather. In fact I think it's scared me quite a bit.

Anywho here's a clip of the graphics that were included in the original article.

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2008 at 6:38am
Interesting pattern. Lindsey on his show mentioned (with current storms) that some areas are affected more often than others by violent changes. Like the American Mid-West.  Looks like your map supports that.

Can't remember where I read about retreating glaciers. It was interesting what all they are finding beneath them. (Some of which we've discussed before...like warm weather tree stumps.)  I guess they've found a lot of "warm weather" things below glaciers...(including lightly dressed bodies) that is puzzling. (Because it suggests that the climate change to freezing temps, snow, and glaciers happened extremely fast...not at a slow snails pace over tens of thousands of years.
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2008 at 6:51am
Managed to find a few radishes big enough to pull last night. The white icicle ones...gee...couldn't even cut the suckers with a steak knife. (Gotta remember to sharpen them I reckon. LOL) And the normal red ones...well...if they ain't named "Fireball"...they should be! My honey couldn't handle more than one bite either. ROFL

Don't look like I'll make much progress on getting the front lawn finished this weekend. (Hope all the peat moss don't wash away while waiting.)  I emptied the rain gauge last night before leaving town; about 1.75 inches in the last couple of days.  After getting back from Wal-Mart in Decatur (12 miles away) our towns streets and such was dry...but we had flooded intersections and little ponds in low areas. My first instinct was...maybe they were cleaning out the fire hydrants. So I checked my rain gauge. ROFL Sometime in the 2 hours I was gone...another inch of rain. (My honey said it all came down in just a few minutes...sheets of water.)

I'll box up what I can and mail it to ya for your lawn in Austin...
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2008 at 3:18pm

Please do! 

We do have a 30% chance tomorrow. I'm hoping.

I found this interesting if not for any other reason than we still don't know a lot about weather.

Tropical ocean sucks up vast amounts of ozone

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2008 at 4:21pm
I'm getting ready to go back outside and try to finish mowing. Started this morning...and that's all it took to start more torrential downpours. (I noticed our mailman is starting to look like part mail-fish. LOL)

Instead of sending you a box of rain...maybe a direct pipeline.
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2008 at 5:59pm
Man, youse guys have been hammered this year, kind of like we were last year.
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2008 at 8:08am
Amazing. I know they do strips up weeks or months ahead of time, but still....

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  Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2008 at 8:21am
Well Yahoo!  Got some rain overnight.  I dont' know how much yet but enough to help for awhile it looks like.
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2008 at 8:32am

Mallard must read these boards.

Saw you on the radar Bob, hopefully it'll hold together until it gets down here but it looks like it's falling apart.

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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jul 2008 at 5:10pm

Mebbe it's hot lap dances that are causing global warming?

Lawyer Is Accused of Using Reform Group to Launder Money From Strip Club

Here's the payoff.

According to the police, Mr. Posner, a 52-year-old tax lawyer, funneled the club’s money to an account for Voter March, the grass-roots demonstration organization he started shortly after the 2000 election that has been largely inactive since 2004. He deposited money into several other accounts, the police said, adding that the amounts were low enough to avoid raising a red flag at the Internal Revenue Service.

Imagine that, a strip club where more goes on than stripping.

Not that I'd know, but I'd always heard....

(Seriously I've never been to a strip club).

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2008 at 9:29pm
I'm watching the definitive answer to global warming as I type: Aliens!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0925245/

.....aliens who are propelling global warming to make Earth habitable for their species. D.B. Sweeney, Danica McKellar. Directed by Andrew Prowse.
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  Quote Randy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 2008 at 9:29am
LOL!
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2008 at 4:46am
FWIW: It's a really bad movie...special effects wise. 
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  Quote Randy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2008 at 7:12am
The version of Ivanhoe we've been watching uses a few "special effects" that make me laugh out loud every time.
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Sep 2008 at 9:39pm

Amazing what's found when ice melts.

Melting glacier yields secrets.


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  Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Sep 2008 at 10:33pm
Link wouldn't work for me Karl but no matter.  We humans do contribute to global warming I am sure but I think it's in a small way and the real culprit, if you could call it that, is "the cycle".  Or cycles.  All on earth cycles.  The climate, the continents, the mountains, the rivers.  The sun cycles.  Hurricanes cycle as do droughts and wet years.  Climate cycles like warm to cooler and vice versa and in huge chunks, not just in few year increments.  And I don't think I'm saying what you don't know already know.  This has all been said many times before so I'm just rattling here.  It's so intertwined and complicated that it boggles my mind as it seems to do to many specialist/scientist in the various fields also. 
 
The end results are:  Al Gore is full of horse manure!
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 1:23am

I've been doing some reading on the Maunder Minimum and the last "little ice age" and I gotta tell ya, there's a lot to be said for global warming.

Some say it'd be a lot worse but I'm guessing with modern transportation it's doubtful if we'd have the same level of famine experienced in the last "little ice age" but still, around the world some larger number of people than at present would starve to death.

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 4:58am
Oops. Must of forgotten to stick the link in there. It's fixed. And here it is again:
Melting Swiss glacier reveals secrets.
Wow. Surprise...it's been warm before. Wonder what they blamed it on thousands of years ago? Farting mammoths?
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 5:07am

Wow, great story.

There have been a lot of pretty extreme weather cycles and I don't think it's any secret but I guess it doesn't go along with man made climate change so it's rarely mentioned.

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 5:16am
Oh...I do believe in human effects on climate change. No doubt about it. But...how much? There's so many variables in play. Especially considering how much climate changes by itself.

What gets me are two things:

A. The real green folks make it sound like the only thing causing climate change are...people.

B. And...well gee...they also seem think that the only good and perfect world is one that is not affected by people. And you know what that means? Yep....no humans and the cockroaches take over.
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2008 at 5:03pm

RIP Michael Crichton.

Perhaps one of the best yet ever on globull warming.

'Aliens Cause Global Warming'

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  Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2008 at 7:37pm
Sheesh - I think globull cooling has set in personally.  Y'all see the news about the blizzard in N. and S. Dakota today?  And here it's getting chilly.  I'm actually thinking of building a fire in the fireplace tonight.  Not that cold (low 40s by morning) but the kids are coming up and it's kinda for them plus use a little of that Ike generated firewood.  :o)
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2008 at 7:41pm
Didn't realize he started off so young. Very accomplished fellow.
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2008 at 8:45am
Ah! Scream!!  There's little white things falling from the sky!!  The sky is falling!

(As long as it doesn't get like Deadwood South Dakato...which got 45 inches a few days ago.)
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2008 at 11:18am

You're done for to be sure.

None of that here, we've got rain in the forecast for the next three days and warmer temps as well (overnight lows in the 60s vs. the mid 40s).

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2008 at 1:07pm
Your lows is higher than our highs for the next...uh oh...just checked the long range forecast. Looks like till next spring. 
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  Quote Randy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov 2008 at 5:15am
Now that sounds a bit cold.
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2009 at 7:00am

Here's a great dea;!

E.P.A. Expected to Regulate Carbon Dioxide

If your social security number ends in an even number you can exhale on a second that ends with an even number and if it ends in an odd number.... Office breath watches will be distributed by the government free to those that don't work. For those that have a job they will cost $500.

If you breath out of cycle there will be a $1.00 carbon exhale out of cycle excise tax.

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2009 at 12:59pm
That sounds like it belongs right next to the Truth Commission.
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2009 at 1:06pm
In thinking about your daughters bycycle trip I wonder if you'd have to pay more when you exercise since you're putting out more carbon dioxide?
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2009 at 1:27pm
Ouch.  That would only be fair!!

Oh dear. Wonder how that would affect me on days like yesterday?  Had a Mexican meal the night before and I must confess, I didn't even like being around myself. (And no GaxX or anything stashed away.)
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2009 at 1:51pm

Proving once again that God has a sense of humor.

Pelosi Snowed-Out of Global Warming Rally

Reality is a brute.

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  Quote Randy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2009 at 6:21pm
LOL  Pretty hard when truth just slams you right in the face.
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But it's even worse!

Physician Declares Global Warming Will Cause Sharp Rise in Kidney Stones

Is there anything that GW doesn't cause?

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Strange. That's a new article by the date, but when I googled "kidney stone belt" it's old news, dating back to July 2008.

Interesting, there is a Kidney Stone Belt
The southeastern area of the United States is known as the Kidney Stone Belt because of the relative high ratio of people suffering from kidney stones in those states. North Carolina (where this author, a fellow kidney store sufferer happens to live) has more kidney stone cases per capita than any other state. Several factors probably come into play to create this situation. One is the typical southern diet which is high in green vegetables and brewed tea - both of which are high in oxalates. The second is the hot climate which causes increased amounts of perspiration and loss of body fluid. And finally, modern life styles often reduce physical activity.



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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 2009 at 10:33am
Originally posted by DonWatkins

Is there anything that GW doesn't cause?



Intelligence?


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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 2009 at 10:46am

My take on kidney stones in that area of the country is the high consumption of soft drinks and specifically coke, which, I have heard, causes kidney stones.

When I lived in Georgia I was amazed by the number of people that had a coke for breakfast. They thought it was perfectly normal and routine.

Throw in a Goodie powder and they were in heaven.

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  Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 2009 at 12:17pm
Speaking of soft drinks I saw bits of an ABC special recently about the mountain folk in Appalachia.  Seems they are all addicted to, logically ... what else?, Mountain Dew!  Plays hob with teeth. 
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I was thinking a load of suger and caffeine but I be wrong.

Caffeine Content Of Popular Drinks

A 12 glass of tea has more! Wow, and I thought that tea was a low caffeine drink. 

And speaking of coke here in Texas it used to be a BC powder but I hardly seem them any longer, can't remember the last time but they still seem to be around. Another when I was a kid, and this was a real treat, was a coke with a bag of peanuts dumped in it. The salt seemed to turn it flat and it was almost like a non-carbonated soda fountain coke.

And man could I tell the difference between a bottled coke and a soda fountain coke. Never figured why because surely the syrup was the same but there was a difference. Even so I'd take a cherry phosphate over a coke any day.

Kids may have iPods but sheesh, they don't know what they're missing.

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 2009 at 12:30pm
Just "Mountain Dew"?  
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Actually, I can still tell the difference between a "can" and from the fountain. May not be able to side-by-side, but for some reason I sure can when we go out. "Canned" Coke about gags me; just does. But, I can handle Coke from a foutain when we go out to eat.  Not sure why. Otherwise, I'm a Pepsi guy.
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 2009 at 12:36pm

I was thinking of one made with syrup and water right at the counter by a soda jerk and not mixed automatically out of canisters.

In thinking about it I suspect it was probably a result of the soda jerk putting in just a shade more syrup either on purpose or because the delivery wasn't that exact.

Dunno why but non-carboniated was always more fun than carbonated, maybe because it was different.

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Ah. That's, uh, been a while since I've seen one of those. I think when I was a kid the Rexall (sp?) drug store uptown had a soda fountain.
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