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    Posted: 28 Apr 2008 at 5:04pm
Don't burn your food?? That might be the least of our worries. How about...don't burn the oceans? (Video)

Text info: http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=41838

Dunno. This almost seems deja vu. Maybe posted in the old forum?

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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2008 at 5:08pm
Seems like I'd read about it before. Didn't find an update but I did find this comment on it:

Philip Ball, a consulting editor at Nature and author of "H2O: A Biography of Water", is highly critical of any theory of water as a fuel, both in general, and specifically as an alternative to traditional fuel sources. Although he says that Kanzius' discovery itself needs to be verified through careful experiments, he states that "water is not a fuel" and "[w]ater does not burn". Ball also states that according to the laws of thermodynamics, it is "impossible to extract energy by producing hydrogen from water and then burning it, as this would be a basis for a perpetual motion machine." He is critical of lack of inquiry in the media reports about bogus science.[16] Ball writes "Here, however (for what it is worth) is the definitive verdict of thermodynamics: water is not a fuel."

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2008 at 9:14pm
$200 a barrel? And it's our fault says OPEC head.
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  Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2008 at 10:13pm
Actually I think he's pretty correct.  Not that it's directly our fault but the fault of the fall of the dollar.  And speculators of course.  At least that's the way I see it.  As said many times before I'm not the shinest silver dollar in the economic field but anyway, judging from what I've read a lot of the high price of oil is tied to fall of the dollar.
 
And I did see one fellow, when speaking of $200 oil,  say that that would translate into $10 gasoline.  Shocked  One could hope that our economy picks up, turns around, and the dollar recovers.  I can't imagine what $10 gas and diesel would do to our truck/train/airplane dependant economy much less to our personal budgets.  Also mentioned was the fact that Canadians are already paying close to $5 and some Europeans are in the upper single digits like $9 equivalent. 
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2008 at 6:56pm
Ah...fuel problem solved.

Oh...did anybody else see the stuff on the news, last night(?), with some farmer types testifying before Congress?  The little I saw they were emphasizing "field corn"...and something about burning your food.

Some farm congressman even showed an ear of corn, plucked a couple of kernnels and said something about it not being people food...people don't eat field corn.  (Something along the lines that gowning corn for ethanol has nothing to do with the price of groceries.)

Well, duh. Gee...how dumb do they thing we are. Lots of other things eat field corn...that we eat (beef). Or drink (milk). And they wind up planting less of other grains in order to grown more field corn. Less wheat, hay, etc.
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  Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2008 at 8:00pm
I thought it when reading but you already said it and that's absolutely true what you say.  What a statement from that congressperson .... corn is not just for corn on the cob at dinner.  There is cornmeal, corn syrup, corn sweetners, more corn products and byproducts that I can think of at the moment.  I would think that field corn is the major crop and sweet corn (table food) just a tiny portion of the overall corn crop.  Dumb!
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2008 at 2:20am
Yup, corn is used for a lot of stuff and even if was only feed corn that causes the price of meat to go up. Sheesh.

Plus from what I understand a lot of land that is otherwise used for wheat is now being used to grow....corn.

But of course the real problem are subsidies which need to be cut out yesterday. I do understand why they are done but still, paying through the nose not to grow stuff is nuts.
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  Quote Randy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2008 at 6:09pm
When  I was still in high school I got the impression that at one time subsidies were Mississippi's biggest crop.
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2008 at 7:03pm
Maybe I could be a successful farmer after all?

Just read another story kind of along the same vein.  (Land switching to better cash crops.)
Ah. Found it: From rice to rubber.

Just a thought. Wish I'd live a lot longer than I will...along with maybe Michael Moore.

They've bashed the U.S. for over-consuming, underpaying, pollution, OSHA and EPA related stuff, and countless other abuses.  Now China is just starting to awaken. And it's hungry. (China 1.3 Billion vs U.S. 300 million.)  Wonder if these same U.S. bashers will pick on China after a while. (The latest National Geographic  (May 2008 China on the Move) has a reather lengthy feature on China's economic expansion and challenges.) 
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2008 at 5:33am
Some interesting "facts" about ethanol. Wonder if the guy is correct or not?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/time_to_rethink_food_for_fuel.html
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  Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2008 at 6:53am
I would tend to believe the article.  It's not the first I've read about how much petro based fuel it takes to make a gal. of ethynol.  And it also takes a ton of water so I read (figuratively speaking).  Those things alone makes corn ethynol a dumb idea IMO.  As much oil as we run thru daily I just can't see growing enuf corn to help the situation anyway.
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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2008 at 7:02am
Giveaway of our money to agriculture.

We let Congress take out money and dole it out we get what we deserve. I sure would like to see the part of the constitution that authorizes them to do farm subsidies.
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2008 at 9:18pm
Interesting. With some apparently it's not the subsidies, rather the ROI. (A little dated...from 2005...from some background papers I was reading while looking up ethanol subsidies):

Oil get's big subsidies, not ethanol.  Wrong by 54 times!
"Ethanol Today," (8/'05) states "Five years ago, a US General Accounting Office report showed that ethanol had received $11.6 billion in tax incentives since 1968, while the oil industry had received over $150 billion in tax benefit over the same period..... But the oil industry produced 1068 times more energy so the subsidy rate per unit energy was 54 times higher for ethanol. That's like ethanol gets 54¢ and oil gets 1¢........

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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2008 at 4:44pm
Hope I'm not repeating myself. Front page news in the County newspaper today:
With rising food prices, the Holy Grail (Ethanol) is being questioned.

Finding that online also found the following from our Canadian neighbors:
Time to kill corn ethanol and go Brazilian (Sugarcane based)
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2008 at 7:12pm
The news media keeps reporting the "average" price of regular is now $3.6x.  I wish. Hey, what can I say...we're just  above average here. It was $3.87...now $3.95.  We're doing fewer and fewer trips.
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  Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2008 at 7:21pm
Yeah, my driving habits are changing a bit now also.  I don't do the impulse trips to town just for the heck of it now (18 mile roundtrip) .... or rarely anyway.  And I am trying to consolidate chores with the fewer trips.
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2008 at 2:33pm
Huh?? Wonder who wrote this "Why gas prices need to stay high" opinion. 
But US drivers may also know it's time to pay a price to curb global warming.
Bet I'd be hard pressed to find even one person (drug free) who would agree...



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  Quote Don Watkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2008 at 2:36pm
Who?

A whack job that hates civilization and wants everybody to live in mud huts.

That is, of course, the motive of the whole global warming is caused by humans thing.

If we only went back to living in mud huts and scrounging for berries then we'd be in tune with nature.
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  Quote Karl_db Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2008 at 6:47pm
It was kind of an interesting news show with the Saudi oil guy this evening. Something to the effect of they are producting all the oil their customers have asked for. They can't produce more oil without having someplace to send it.

Hmm. Makes ya wonder.

"I think the president has no intention whatsoever of having the Saudis put more oil in the market," said Fadel Gheit, an industry analyst for Oppenheimer & Co. in New York. "If the president wanted the Saudis to do that, he would not have asked them publicly."


Rest of the article here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004418263_saudi16.html
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  Quote Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2008 at 11:54pm
Hmm, I've seen the news items about the Pres., with hat in hand, asking the Saudis to pump more.  I wouldn't think he'd want this public if it weren't necessary but what do I know?  Interesting article and complicated facts.  There's a lot of chatter about the "greenies" effect on our own exploration and production.  I don't know where this will go and don't know the answer for sure but it's definitely hurtful to our economy .  And all our checkbooks.  I've had exploration companies shoot lines across my property and I could hope they'd come back and find a prospect then maybe I could forget all the peons.  Wink
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