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   <title>Coming changes in health care :   Originally posted by Don WatkinsHead...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 May 2013 at 7:11pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Don Watkins</strong></em><br /><br /><p><a href="http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/06/head-start-teachers-name-obamacare-as-biggest-problem/" target="_blank">Head Start teachers name Obamacare as biggest problem</a></p><p>I'm betting every member of this organization voted for Hussein. Guess it's just chickens coming home to roost.<br></p><br>&nbsp;</td></tr></table><br><br><br>It's going to be interesting to see who keeps supporting it if their costs go way up.&nbsp; And interesting to see how the libs try to prevent that by redistributing more money from the top percentage.<br>]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Which goes along with:Judge in...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 May 2013 at 6:07pm<br /><br /><br>Which goes along with:<br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/judge-nyc-rips-oppositi&#111;n-plan-b-order-200316743.html" target="_blank">Judge in NYC rips opposition to Plan B order - Yahoo! News</a><br><br>Judge: It will hurt the poor, young, and African-Americans won't be able to get this drug (if the age limit is raised).&nbsp; Does this judge really care...or does he just want to reduce the number of young, poor and African-Americans? I could go on a rant about 15 year olds having sex...but I won't.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 18:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Head Start teachers name Obamacare...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 May 2013 at 7:02am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/06/head-start-teachers-name-obamacare-as-biggest-problem/" target="_blank">Head Start teachers name Obamacare as biggest problem</a></p><p>I'm betting every member of this organization voted for Hussein. Guess it's just chickens coming home to roost.<br></p><br>&nbsp;]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 07:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Yep, sad to see.   </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 May 2013 at 8:36am<br /><br />Yep, sad to see.]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : The &amp;#034;funny&amp;#034; part is...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 May 2013 at 7:17am<br /><br />The "funny" part is that it was supposed to go down for us older folks what with kids now having to pay a higher rate because of us. I really feel sorry for them, they're going to get soaked a lot more than we are, would expect them to see those 50% type increases I've been reading about.]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Good thing it won&amp;#039;t factor...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 May 2013 at 7:12am<br /><br />Good thing it won't factor into the inflation rate...<br><br><br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 07:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : What a deal. Mandate that the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 May 2013 at 6:59am<br /><br /><p>What a deal. Mandate that the states do something and then let them figure out how to pay for it.</p><p>Don't know if they'll get it but just found that the rate increase request for my carrier/policy is 13.85% to accommodate Obamacare.</p><p>That's gonna leave a mark.</p><p><br></p>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 06:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : That&amp;#039;s what happens when...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 May 2013 at 6:58pm<br /><br />That's what happens when ya get addicted to those federal dollars.&nbsp; Although I suppose states are doing (paying) for a lot of things mandated by the federal nanny...]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Chickens slowly coming home to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 May 2013 at 2:00pm<br /><br /><p>Chickens slowly coming home to roost.</p><p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-states-fear-loss-health-151119943.html" target="_blank">States fear loss of health care aid</a></p><p>Of course there were idiots who couldn't see this coming or did and thought that the Feds would bail them out.</p>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 14:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : But, but, they said it would be...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 May 2013 at 8:57am<br /><br />But, but, they said it would be paid for by saving on other stuff.]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Ah....now I understand (after...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 May 2013 at 3:45pm<br /><br />Ah....now I understand (after reading part of the below link).&nbsp; It's the GOP's fault that it's going to be a train wreck.&nbsp; Because the GOP won't give them all the money they need (want).<br><br><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57582588/reid-obamacare-could-be-train-wreck-without-more-m&#111;ney/" target="_blank">Reid: Obamacare could be "train wreck" without more money - CBS News</a><br>]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Well, BHO did say today there&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 May 2013 at 4:53pm<br /><br />Well, BHO did say today there's going to be a few "bumps"...]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : But wait, there&amp;#039;s more.  GOP...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 May 2013 at 8:07am<br /><br /><p>But wait, there's more.</p><p><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/politics/federal_government/gop-bill-would-force-federal-workers-&#111;nto-health-care-exchanges/2013/04/30/bee8234e-b1d8-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html" target="_blank">GOP bill would force federal workers onto health-care exchanges</a></p><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">“It seems to be a political gimmick to help lawmakers undo an amendment to the Affordable Care Act that was meant to be a poison pill,” said American Federation of Government Employees President J. David Cox. “Federal employees rely on FEHBP during their working lives and in retirement, and Congress should not play around with eliminating this crucial element of federal compensation to make a political point.”</td></tr></table></p>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 08:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : A number of MSM sites didn&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 May 2013 at 2:35am<br /><br />A number of MSM sites didn't seem too amused either by Congress's notion to exempt itself.&nbsp; So nice to live on Mt. Olympus.&nbsp; <br><br>Nothing much new here I don't think.<br><a href="http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfr&#111;nt/journal-obamacare-rate-shock/2013/04/30/id/502082" target="_blank">WSJ: Prepare for Obamacare Rate Shock</a>&nbsp; We're in shock anyway. LOL <br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 02:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Sometimes you can catch a laugh.  Congress...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Apr 2013 at 8:42am<br /><br /><p>Sometimes you can catch a laugh.</p><p><a href="http://c&#111;nservativeintel.com/2013/04/25/c&#111;ngress-tries-to-extract-itself-from-obamacare-suicide-pact/#" target="_blank">Congress tries to extract itself from Obamacare suicide pact. Hilarity ensues.</a></p><p>Then other times I laugh right before I cry.</p>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Yep. It was supposed to be in...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Apr 2013 at 7:18pm<br /><br />Yep. It was supposed to be in future spending AFAIK.&nbsp; But...yep...you guys got it...they want people hurting and screaming.&nbsp; Sorry suckers. &nbsp;]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Apr 2013 at 6:28pm<br /><br />Yep.<div><br></div><div><a href="http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/042313-653035-faa-flight-delays-an-old-bureaucratic-game-to-make-the-public-scream.htm" target="_blank">http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/042313-653035-faa-flight-delays-an-old-bureaucratic-game-to-make-the-public-scream.htm</a><br></div>]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Yeah, and at that only a small...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Apr 2013 at 6:23pm<br /><br />Yeah, and at that only a small percentage reduction that any family budget could handle nicely.  I'll swear that a lot of this is maximized to hurt the public and attempt to lay the blame on the Rep. Party.  Even though the Prez. was the one to come up with the sequester idea in the first place so I understand it.]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Marvelous. I keep getting confused,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Apr 2013 at 4:48pm<br /><br />Marvelous. I keep getting confused, I thought those were cuts in growth, not in ongoing funding...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Apr 2013 at 2:39pm<br /><br />Great. Just great..<br><a href="http://www.gocomics.com/stevekelley/2013/04/23" target="_blank">http://www.gocomics.com/stevekelley/2013/04/23</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Apr 2013 at 9:06am<br /><br />He sounds like a liberal libertarian capitalist. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Apr 2013 at 7:27am<br /><br /><p>I love this guy. I expect he's a lefty but still...</p><p><a href="http://www.frcblog.com/2013/04/im-not-your-bedroom-obama-your-bedroom/" target="_blank">“I’m Not in Your Bedroom. Obama is in Your Bedroom”</a></p>]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : A bunch of clowns, that&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Apr 2013 at 2:59pm<br /><br />A bunch of clowns, that's for sure.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Apr 2013 at 10:37am<br /><br />Yep.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Apr 2013 at 6:30am<br /><br /><p>Yeah, I sure can't figure out what Baucus is complaining about, maybe he should have read what his office was writing (I doubt if any of these Senators actually write anything, it's probably their stuff).</p><p>On another subject I read this morning that the new immigration bill is 844 pages.</p><p>I figure if it doesn't fit on a page it shouldn't be a law.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Apr 2013 at 3:20pm<br /><br />Isn't that just great...the head (or one of main) conductors of the train sees a train wreck coming. Geeze. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Apr 2013 at 3:15pm<br /><br />Yep, he's got to get reelected, so now he's started his re-election FUD campaign.&nbsp; Those libs are always here to help protect us.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Apr 2013 at 1:42pm<br /><br /><p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-re&#102;orm-implementati&#111;n/294501-baucus-warns-of-huge-train-wreck-in-obamacare-implementati&#111;n" target="_blank">Baucus warns of 'huge train wreck' enacting&nbsp; ObamaCare provisions</a></p><p>Huh? Baucus is one of the ones responsible for this. Maybe he thinks if he is against it's now (he was for it before he was against it) the voters will forget his past.</p><p>Weird.&nbsp;</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Apr 2013 at 5:57pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Karl_db</strong></em><br /><br />Poor unions.&nbsp; Oh well...what's that old saying...If you lie down with common commie progressive liberal dogs...you'll get up with common commie progressive fleas..."&nbsp; (Something like that.)<br><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/uni&#111;ns-vs-obamacare_707688.html" target="_blank">The Unions vs. Obamacare | The Weekly Standard</a><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Outstanding!!!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2013 at 4:53pm<br /><br />The only game in town....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2013 at 4:36pm<br /><br />Probably as the only player in the exchanges will be the feral government.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2013 at 4:34pm<br /><br />I'm still not sure if it all wasn't designed to fail...to give the gubers an excuse just to take it all over as they wish.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2013 at 8:38am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/03/obamacare-in-trouble-exchange-provisi&#111;n-delayed-as-lawmakers-push-to-repeal/" target="_blank">Exchange provision delayed, as lawmakers push to repeal another</a></p><p>Always felt that the exchanges were a weak point, no way could they get those implemented. Heck, I don't think another year will help.<br></p><p>What does it mean:</p><p>"The exchanges were designed to give workers a range of choices supported by dollars from their employers. But now they will have only one choice until 2015, which could mean they can't shop for insurance that includes their current providers."<br></p><p>This has become even more of a nightmare than even the most alarmed predictions off the git go.</p>&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2013 at 5:52pm<br /><br />Yep, that is how I figure it as well...the beast that will never die....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2013 at 5:37pm<br /><br />I didn't read it all...just the first part.&nbsp; He (the author) is dreaming.&nbsp; At best they'll just re-write individual components. It'll just keep reincarnating itself in different forms.&nbsp; And at worst (or best if your a lib)...they'll just decide the only way it will work is if every swinging person is in it and the government controls every minute detail.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2013 at 1:37pm<br /><br /><p><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/philkerpen/2013/03/25/obamacare-is-crumbling-n1548309/page/full/" target="_blank">Obamacare Is Crumbling</a></p><p>The wheels are certainly coming off but crumbling? Nah, it's a government monster and like the boogie man it can't die.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2013 at 7:23pm<br /><br />I can believe it, some businesses operate on very thin margins.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2013 at 6:39pm<br /><br />No idea of the accuracy of their figures. Just throwing it out there FWIW:<br><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/03/20/Obamacare-May-Cost-Small-Business-Whiners-65-of-Annual-Profits" target="_blank">Obamacare May Cost Small Business 'Whiners' 65% of Annual Profits</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Mar 2013 at 6:49pm<br /><br />Bawhahahahaha.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Mar 2013 at 6:45pm<br /><br />Poor unions.&nbsp; Oh well...what's that old saying...If you lie down with common commie progressive liberal dogs...you'll get up with common commie progressive fleas..."&nbsp; (Something like that.)<br><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/uni&#111;ns-vs-obamacare_707688.html" target="_blank">The Unions vs. Obamacare | The Weekly Standard</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2013 at 3:08pm<br /><br />Goodness...sure wouldn't want BHO to be cheap and easy....HeeHee]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2013 at 6:09am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-applying-health-care-not-easy-171510320.html" target="_blank">AP Exclusive: Applying for health care not easy</a></p><p>Neither cheap nor easy.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Mar 2013 at 9:41am<br /><br />Just might be!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Mar 2013 at 9:03am<br /><br /><p>Ya gotta love bureaucrats.</p><p><a href="http://fr&#111;ntpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/reas&#111;n-41-health-care-is-so-expensive-medical-codes-for-being-struck-by-a-turtle-at-the-opera/" target="_blank">Reason #41 Health Care is So Expensive: Medical Codes for Being Struck by a Turtle at the Opera</a></p><p>Ya think they moonlight for Leno?</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Mar 2013 at 6:34pm<br /><br />What a mess.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Mar 2013 at 9:25am<br /><br /><p>More coming changes.</p><p><a href="http://www.courant.com/business/hc-haar-health-exchange-prices-20130226,0,2843443.story" target="_blank">As First Year Of Health Insurance Mandate Nears, Prices Could Shock Connecticut Buyers</a></p><p>But still, no one knows for sure.???</p><p>Struck me as "funny":</p><p>"Price hikes will be especially steep for people in their 20s and 30s who need health coverage to comply with Obamacare, but who don’t get it through their employers, Driscoll said. That’s because the current Connecticut rule allows insurers to charge six times more for the oldest people than for the youngest, who are typically healthier — and the new rules let companies charge just three times more for the oldest people."</p><p>I keep trying to figure out how Hussein is going to play this. Maybe blame employers for not picking up premiums?</p><p>I don't see a way out of it for him.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Mar 2013 at 4:33pm<br /><br />Horrible foreshadowing of things to come.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Feb 2013 at 10:04am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/greek-pharmacies-face-medicine-shortage-2013-2" target="_blank">Panic In Greek Pharmacies As Hundreds Of Medicines Run Short</a></p><p>Coming soon to a drugstore near you.<br></p><br>&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Feb 2013 at 6:24pm<br /><br />Nope. Not a whit.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Feb 2013 at 8:14pm<br /><br />Not selfish IMO, just&nbsp;concerns of survival.&nbsp; I feel for those that can't get insurance but no need to inflict damage and pain to those who could previously.&nbsp; All in the name of political self righteousness, not reality.&nbsp; And destroying our current system that was working, even&nbsp;if imperfectly.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Feb 2013 at 6:58pm<br /><br />This is the disaster it was predicte to be. My selfish concern is that this time next year we will not be able to afford insurance.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Feb 2013 at 6:45pm<br /><br />"Lets just pass the bill to see what's in the bill."&nbsp; I know, I'm repeating myself but I can't get that statement out of my head.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Feb 2013 at 6:36pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nypost.com/Page/Uuid/fa30e4fc-73fa-11e2-a4c8-21450be48a0a" target="_blank">Wheels coming off - NYPOST.com</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Feb 2013 at 7:46pm<br /><br />They don't much care IMHO. They want universal health coverage.&nbsp; As long as they get that...they don't think about...or even care about...the cost IMHO.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Feb 2013 at 7:55am<br /><br /><p>They just want us to shut up and eat our peas because, after all, they know what's best for us.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Feb 2013 at 7:46am<br /><br />It makes we wonder how they get so many people to agree to lie on such a magnitude.&nbsp; You would think a couple of them would have at least a day or two of feeling sick about what they've been part of.&nbsp; I guess they then would go to the nearest MSM outlet where upon the information was contained and the miscreant was reported so the people in charge could dispose of them.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Feb 2013 at 6:34am<br /><br /><p>You have to pass it to know what's in it.</p><p><a href="http://news.investors.com/020513-643239-obamacare-subsidy-cost-hiked-233-bil-in-new-cbo-score.aspx" target="_blank">ObamaCare Exchange Subsidy Cost Hiked By $233 Billion</a></p><p>All the lies are starting to float to the top. Just like something else and I ain't talkin' cream here.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Jan 2013 at 12:44pm<br /><br /><p>A twofer.</p><p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-re&#102;orm-implementati&#111;n/280331-hhs-official-healthcare-exchange-doesnt-translate-in-spanish" target="_blank">HHS says it ditched ‘exchanges’ because word doesn’t translate into Spanish</a><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jan 2013 at 12:34pm<br /><br />Yep, on O'Reilly there is a segment called Watters' World and Jesse Watters does&nbsp;&nbsp;people on the street interviews&nbsp;with a slant on political knowlege.&nbsp; A high percentage are "not a clue" folk out there. Stoessel does that now and then also.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jan 2013 at 11:31am<br /><br /><p>We are so hosed.</p><p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/encounter_with_a_low-info_voter.html" target="_blank">Encounter with a Low-Info Voter</a></p><p>Actually I wouldn't call this a low info voter. Some of the other stuff I've seen is even scarier.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Jan 2013 at 6:14pm<br /><br />Uh oh....a new keyword (buzzword?). Is this the PC BS..."re-pricing".&nbsp; Sigh. &nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Jan 2013 at 7:57am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/01/22/health-insurance-brokers-prepare-clients-for-obamacare-sticker-shock/" target="_blank">Health Insurance Brokers Prepare Clients For Obamacare Sticker Shock</a></p><p>Of course this was the plan all along; make private insurance so expensive we'd all have to join the government program.</p><p>Count on it.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Jan 2013 at 2:57pm<br /><br />That makes sense. Sadly.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Jan 2013 at 2:46pm<br /><br />He's still formulating the anti-flu executive order.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Jan 2013 at 2:44pm<br /><br />Strange. I thought his royal hignesses were just going to outlaw the flue...part of the gun control proposal....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Jan 2013 at 1:42pm<br /><br /><p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-re&#102;orm-implementati&#111;n/277459-whole-foods-ceo-obama-health-law-is-fascism-" target="_blank">Whole Foods CEO says Obama healthcare law is 'more like fascism'</a></p><p>He's gonna be in a world of hurt.</p><p>I thought Hussein was going to fix stuff like this:</p><p><a href="http://parkslope.patch.com/articles/nys-flu-epidemic-declared-a-public-health-emergency-19079d1e" target="_blank">NY's Flu Epidemic Declared a Public Health Emergency</a></p><p><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Jan 2013 at 3:23pm<br /><br />That's what they've been saying. And starting much earlier than normal.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Jan 2013 at 9:53am<br /><br /><p>Helped just a wee bit when I tried a new search term. Thought this was interesting.&nbsp;</p><p><a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/3004584/flu-deaths-rising-philadelphia-hospital-creates-triage-tent" target="_blank">With Flu Deaths Rising, Philadelphia Hospital Creates Triage Tent</a></p><p>And <a href="http://www.magnoliareporter.com/news_and_business/regi&#111;nal_news/article_9e43af5a-5a26-11e2-ad5a-0019bb2963f4.html" target="_blank">Health department reports seven flu deaths in Arkansas</a></p><p>I don't think this is the big one or anything but it does seem to be worse than usual.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Jan 2013 at 9:43am<br /><br /><p>I have no idea how this could happen under Husseincare but it looks like this year is going to be "unexpected".</p><p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/flu-outbreak-2013-expected-worst-decade-cdc-warns-article-1.1235178" target="_blank">Flu outbreak in 2013 expected to be among the worst in decade, CDC warns</a><br></p><p><a href="http://bost&#111;nherald.com/news_opini&#111;n/local_coverage/2013/01/18_dead_flu_massachusetts" target="_blank">18 dead of flu in Massachusetts</a></p><p><a href="http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020081265_apwafludeaths2ndldwritethru.html" target="_blank">3 more influenza deaths in Washington</a></p><p>Kinda hard to find many articles on this as far as my searching goes.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2013 at 8:51pm<br /><br />Dunno either, except I think his core supporters (which are many)&nbsp;are going to blame anybody except him. IMHO<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2013 at 6:20pm<br /><br />Dunno, but his approval rating is remaining strong on Rasmussen.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2013 at 6:10pm<br /><br />I'm wondering if there is a bit of voters remorse out there. (I hope so)&nbsp; I also have read several articles about surprise at a smaller take home pay due to the expiration of the temp. decrease in deduction from the Bush days.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2013 at 5:48pm<br /><br />Yep, we've been private insured for 30 years and it ain't cheap. That and having to pay allbthe SS tax arevthe two big financial downsides to being self employed.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2013 at 5:32pm<br /><br />Wow. I went to your link. And found this:<br><a href="http://finder.healthcare.gov/" target="_blank">http://finder.healthcare.gov/</a><br><br>For the heck of it, I filled it out for myself (tobacco user) and spouse with medical condition. I think there was an option also that the reason was because I was losing my employer coverage. I just wanted to see what type of deals (plans) a search would offer.<br><br>I might as well just plan on completing my bucket list as fast as I can...if I ever lose employer coverage.<br><br>I think the cheapest was about $3,500 out of pocket expenses and something like $1200-1500 per month.&nbsp; It didn't take long though for out of pocket expenses to pretty much average out to maybe 5-7 k per year. Heck...some plans had as much as $30k out of pocket yearly...and $2000 per month premium.<br><br>I might as well die.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2013 at 5:11pm<br /><br />Whew, found you could find rate increase requests at healthcare.gov and ours wasn't listed meaning no increase more than 10%. Did see some companies at 35%+ however.<div><br></div><div>If we had one like that we'd have to go without.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2013 at 5:02pm<br /><br />Yep, it could be brutal.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2013 at 4:58pm<br /><br />Ouch. Hate to think. <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">At the end of 2012, Mark Bertolini, the CEO of Aetna, the third-largest health insurer in the country, warned that many consumers would face “premium rate shock” with the advent of Obamacare’s major insurance regulations in 2014. He predicted that unsubsidized premiums would rise 20 to 50 percent, on average.</td></tr></table><br><br>Instead of going down $2,500 as this president said...they're expected to rise by $3,000(plus).&nbsp; That's ....oh...gee...only $5,500 error. Heck...what's five or six grand. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2013 at 1:10pm<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2013/01/07/obamacare-guarantees-higher-health-insurance-premiums-3000-higher/" target="_blank">Obamacare Guarantees Higher Health Insurance Premiums -- $3,000+ Higher</a></p><p>I am sitting on pins and needles over this. Our next premium is due in February and I won't get the notice until the end of this month and I'm sweating over how much it's going up.</p><p>While it's not the biggest expense we have, the biggest being property taxes followed by the various Federal taxes (SS tax hits me hard since I pay both sides), it is the third biggest and any significant increase is going to be problematic.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Dec 2012 at 10:25am<br /><br /><p>Okay, that means 35 different sites with 35 different criteria for coverage.</p><p>I wish there was somewhere that I could place a bet on if they make it.</p><p>I recall when the IRS had to finally shut down their new computer system project after spending $4 billion on it and that was in 1997 when a billion was real money. Can't wait to see how the Feds handle this one.</p><p>Massive fail would be my guess.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Dec 2012 at 5:59am<br /><br /><p>It ain't lookin' good for the Feds.</p><p><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/100311739" target="_blank">Only 15 States Opt to Run Obamacare Exchanges</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Dec 2012 at 8:43am<br /><br />Yep.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Dec 2012 at 7:51am<br /><br /><p>It turns out that the pope is Catholic after all.</p><p><a href="http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybens&#111;n/2012/12/11/senate-democrats-um-lets-postp&#111;ne-obamacares-medical-device-tax-n1464752" target="_blank">Senate Democrats: Um, Let's "Postpone" Obamacare's Medical Device Tax</a></p>]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : So true!!! </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Nov 2012 at 4:33pm<br /><br />So true!!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Nov 2012 at 2:24pm<br /><br />Quite frankly if it was a choice, I'd rather keep the Hostess.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Nov 2012 at 8:41am<br /><br />Loved the union boss chiming in.  Yeah, let them get rid of these colleges just like they did Hostess.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Nov 2012 at 2:56pm<br /><br />Not sure mom and pop stores...elitist colleges cutting hours also:<br><br><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/21/Surprise-PA-College-Slashes-Hours-To-Avoid-Obamacare" target="_blank">Surprise: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Nov 2012 at 9:24pm<br /><br />Wonderful.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Nov 2012 at 8:27am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/nov/20/government-wants-all-americans-between-15-64-take/" target="_blank">Government wants all Americans between 15-64 to take HIV test</a></p><p>""It allows you to say, 'This is a recommended test that we believe everybody should have. We're not singling you out in any way,'" said task force member Dr. Douglas Owens of Stanford University and the Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System."</p><p>Not that there aren't certain activities that would cause one group to be more likely to get it than other groups but we wouldn't want to make that one group feel "bed" so we'll make everyone get it.</p><p>Sheesh.&nbsp; Next they'll want us all to take out skydiving insurance.&nbsp;</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Nov 2012 at 4:20pm<br /><br />If she was seen/treated at the ER...it probably wasn't entirely free.&nbsp; They just wouldn't admit her. Insurance is no guarantee they'll admit somebody anyhow. Don't know (don't want to know) all the details. <br><br>I like this. Here's a supporter of Obamacare...but his company is still going to lay off workers because of Obamacare.<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/medical-supply-giant-stryker-corp-makes-pre-emptive-strike-against-pending/?test=latestnews" target="_blank">Medical giant Stryker cuts 1,170 jobs, citing ObamaCare | Fox News</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Nov 2012 at 9:15am<br /><br />That's a change in health care, having someone turned away and not given something for free.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Nov 2012 at 6:15am<br /><br />Yep, silence is the better part of ...... whatever.&nbsp; It sounds like the girl/woman's reputation preceeded her.&nbsp; She is probably red flagged in every medical facility in the area.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Nov 2012 at 5:19am<br /><br />Hehe, sounds like staying quite was better for your health care provider.....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Nov 2012 at 4:15am<br /><br />Kinda wonder how the new healthcare will handle folks like my co-worker. The flaky one with the live-in girlfriend. He was all ticked off yesterday morning at the county hospital. He took her to the ER because, he says, she has pneumonia and they sent her home. All because she doesn't have any health insurance. (Gee...and is being sued by probably every med facility in this area for unpaid bills.)<br><br>Let's see. She doesn't work. Can't find a job for a couple of years. Couldn't hold a job long because of her temper...violent temper.&nbsp; I almost asked him if he expected myself and others who manage to pay our bills to pay for her also...but I bit my tongue. Hard. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Nov 2012 at 8:18pm<br /><br />Wow. What a headache, and just from reading part of it.&nbsp; Way too complicated.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Nov 2012 at 7:50am<br /><br />My eyes were rolling by the time I got to the chart.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Nov 2012 at 6:14am<br /><br /><p>I can see now why states won't do this beyond just not liking it.&nbsp;</p><p><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/blogs/w&#111;nkblog/wp/2012/11/12/is-obamacare-too-much-work-for-the-obama-administrati&#111;n/" target="_blank">Is Obamacare too much work for the Obama administration?</a></p><p>I wouldn't take on this project for any amount of money, it ain't gonna work, period.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Nov 2012 at 9:30am<br /><br />Can't say there was anything "new" at the link. Just a big mess...bound to grow into an even bigger mess.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Nov 2012 at 8:59am<br /><br /><p>We are so hosed.</p><p><a href="http://www.realitybatslast.com/2012/11/10/did-the-electi&#111;n-save-obamacare/" target="_blank">Did the Election Save ObamaCare?</a></p><p>I did not know all of these and I think I pay pretty close attention to stuff. Just sheesh.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Nov 2012 at 7:44am<br /><br /><p>All the troubles in the world.</p><p><a href="http://www.dispatch.com/c&#111;ntent/stories/local/2012/11/11/13-health-premium-will-top-2000.html" target="_blank">’13 health premium will top $2,000</a></p><p>Hehe, our premiums top $2k....a quarter.</p><p>I love it how people think that both the government and employers are Santa Claus. And that premiums are going to come down once everyone is "insured".</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Oct 2012 at 6:50pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/22/issa-issues-subpoena-over-hhs-&#100;ocuments/?test=latestnews" target="_blank">Issa issues subpoena over HHS documents </a><br><br>Yep...Issa...just like a dog with a bone.&nbsp; Sic 'em boy, sic 'em. HeeHee<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Oct 2012 at 4:04am<br /><br />The most transparent administration ever!!<br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/17/issa-threatens-subpoena-this-week-over-obamacare-docs/" target="_blank">Issa threatens subpoena this week over ObamaCare documents</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Oct 2012 at 2:59pm<br /><br />Saw that. Doesn't seem to bother anybody.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Oct 2012 at 10:05am<br /><br />Exactly.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Oct 2012 at 8:30am<br /><br />I just "love" how we've turned over running the country to those we don't elect.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Oct 2012 at 8:29am<br /><br />There are sharks in the water.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Oct 2012 at 7:39am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/michaelfcann&#111;n/2012/10/15/why_sebelius_campaigns_so_hard_for_her_boss__and_why_he_w&#111;nt_fire_her" target="_blank">Why Sebelius Campaigns So Hard for Her Boss — and Why He Won’t Fire Her</a></p><p>Marvelous.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Oct 2012 at 8:21pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medications, and a government bureaucracy to administer it. - Thomas Sowell</td></tr></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2012 at 8:49am<br /><br />Only free if you don't have money?<br><br>And this is the kind of stuff that gets the government to stick their nose into the details of health care. <br><br>I've been trying to find, since yesterday, an online version of a local news item. Not available yet I guess. The local small county hospital has high costs to begin with due to high overhead. They would have been in the black for this year...but are now about a half-million in the red. That's after paying $1.3 million to the state in a new tax. Hospitals are now taxed for the number of days of in-patient days they have.<br><br>The state got $300 million in it's first year from the new tax. $80 million goes to pay for new mandates under Obama care.&nbsp; The rest is sent to hospitals help offset the costs of Medicare patients.<br><br>So...it's not free. Somebody is paying for it. <br><br>The bad thing for our local hospital is that they are a small county hospital.&nbsp; Disbursements are based on the number of Medicare patients. A good many of the locals don't go to the county hospital...they wind up at the big city hospitals (Fort Wayne) with specialists and specialized facilities. And...a big "and"&nbsp; about 20-30 percent of the local population in the county hospital area is Amish. They don't use the Medicare program to begin with.&nbsp; <br><br>Interesting to see the redistribution of money from one facility to another by the government. Of course there's other factors involved that we don't have any idea about. But it does make me wonder if each hospital/medical group had to make or break it own their own...how well they would do.&nbsp; AFAIC, this is just one more reason that rates at the county hospital are so much higher than in Fort Wayne.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2012 at 8:13am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/sky-high-trauma-fees-stun-some-er-patients/nSWTw/" target="_blank">Sky-high trauma fees stun some ER patients</a></p><p>Stunned? $20k for an ER visit? I'd say gobsmacked.</p><p>I thought this stuff was free?</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Oct 2012 at 2:56pm<br /><br />If it's free...why do they need to raise funds...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Oct 2012 at 6:43am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/central-health-tax-hike-would-pay-for-low-income-w/nSTgB/" target="_blank">Central Health tax hike would pay for low-income women’s health programs</a></p><p>But, but, but I thought Obamacare was gonna take care of this kind of stuff. Where's their "insurance"?</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2012 at 6:23pm<br /><br />Read this in our printed edition. Some interesting stuff here:<br><br><a href="http://www.rd.com/health/healthcare/special-report-why-a-hospital-bill-costs-what-it-costs/" target="_blank">Special Report: Why a Hospital Bill Costs What It Costs | Reader's Digest</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2012 at 6:41pm<br /><br />This must be a mistake. Computers (and the government) was going to make life so much better and cheaper:<br><br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/business/medicare-billing-rises-at-hospitals-with-electr&#111;nic-records.html?_r=2" target="_blank">Medicare Billing Rises at Hospitals With Electronic Records - NYTimes.com</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Sep 2012 at 7:34am<br /><br />I've seen nothing saying anything about Obamacare benefiting anyone.&nbsp; The people that were not covered before went to hospitals and clinics and got treatment anyway.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Sep 2012 at 10:07pm<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/tax-penalty-hit-nearly-6m-uninsured-people-194442599.html" target="_blank">Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsured people - Yahoo! News</a><br><br>Has there been any new updates about Obamacare that's been "good" news?&nbsp; It seems all the revisions have been on the negative side, e.g., cost more, more penalties, more employers dropping insurance, higher rates, et al.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Sep 2012 at 5:20pm<br /><br />Just great.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Sep 2012 at 4:53pm<br /><br /><p>And some wonder why business isn't hiring.</p><p><a href="http://washingt&#111;nexaminer.com/franchisors-warn-obamacare-will-halve-profits/article/2507920#.UFJVc0ZEL9k" target="_blank">Franchisors warn Obamacare will halve profits</a></p><p><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Sep 2012 at 8:42am<br /><br />Just read that one last night.&nbsp; I'm impressed.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Sep 2012 at 2:27pm<br /><br />Always liked that outfit. For that matter have always liked any outfit that closes on Sunday. The only other one that comes to mind is Chick.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Sep 2012 at 2:25pm<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/hobby-lobby-sues-over-morning-pill-coverage-161314917--finance.html" target="_blank">Hobby Lobby sues over morning-after pill coverage </a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Sep 2012 at 8:35pm<br /><br />Yup!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Sep 2012 at 6:30pm<br /><br />Done in a serious tone that seems like a good script for a TV ad.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Sep 2012 at 6:29pm<br /><br />Yep, my sweetie listened to it and thought it was a riot.&nbsp; It was funny how it seemed that gal talking was a bit surprised at how tickled everybody got which got her laughing too.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Sep 2012 at 5:16pm<br /><br />She did a good job I think...of conveying the scariness (or craziness) of it with humor.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Sep 2012 at 4:03pm<br /><br />When you say it like that, seems more scary than funny.&nbsp; Guess you had to be there. <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="middle" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Sep 2012 at 3:08pm<br /><br />One very very very long (and humorous) sentence:<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_&#101;mbedded&amp;v=vdnY8r7_fLw#!" target="_blank">Obamacare Summed Up in One Sentence - YouTube</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Sep 2012 at 10:37pm<br /><br />Yep. But I think(?) when my wife retires and I have to take out health insurance where I work...the good old days are over. AFAIK, my employer's covers zip for dental or eye. It's not much anymore, but every little bit helps.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Sep 2012 at 10:07pm<br /><br />Yep, as bad as my teeth are I'm glad to have our dental insurance as well as our health insurance.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Sep 2012 at 9:53pm<br /><br />Yep, I really have to wonder "what if" if we were paying hospital bills out of our own pocket. My sweeties insurance always sends out their list of new EOB's (explanation of benefits) on the weekend. (I guess they finish them up by end of day on Friday and post them online in mass.)&nbsp; <br>Anyhow, the hospital bill from when my sweetie was in a few weeks back for 3 days was included in the latest batch.&nbsp; The local county hospital bill was almost $15k. BC/BS paid $780, and the rest was written off as "provider discount for participating in the BC/BS network".&nbsp; Maybe we wouldn't have had to pay the full $15k, but I know darn well it would have been a heck of a lot more than $780.&nbsp; Just absolute crazy and not understandable at all. And just darn scary. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Sep 2012 at 11:54am<br /><br />Did a little checking on our dental insurance, saved me a bunch when the girls had braces.&nbsp; When I was having several teeth repaired it would have cost me considerably more if I had not had it.&nbsp; Heck, I would have just had the teeth pulled.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Sep 2012 at 6:36pm<br /><br />We might find out come this November if my sweetie goes ahead and retires. Not sure what's going to happen then.&nbsp; I'll have to take out insurance where I work. Lots of questions...but they don't seem to like to answer questions ahead of time...before I actually need to sign up.&nbsp; If they have some per-existing conditions clause...we are going to be so SOL. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Sep 2012 at 10:03am<br /><br /><p>It's a mess, no question. I'm still getting bills from my back surgery last October.</p><p>I've been able to beat the BS/BS "discount" with a cash payment after some discussion. One I got whacked down by a full 90%!</p><p>Not always, but it sometimes works and I always try.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Sep 2012 at 8:58am<br /><br />Goodness...I can only guess how much more confusing, expensive, and fake medical care will become once Obamacare kicks in full force.<br><br>My place of employment is switching their health insurance from a small private company to Anthem. I don't have insurance through them, but will once my honey retires (planned for November).&nbsp; I still had to attend a meeting where they gave a brief overview of the benefits offered by Anthem. <br><br>One benefit is an online search option at the Anthem website. You can search for specific procedures in a defined area...by many criteria...including price. They rep even demonstrated an actual search for our area...for an MRI of the lower back. I thought that was interesting...because I just had one done the week before.<br><br>The results showed a high of $1,200 at the local hospital (high overhead according to the rep). Or we could go the a place called "Open MRI" in the same city. That's where I went. Located like in a shopping strip and MRI's is all they do: about $450.&nbsp; <br><br>I just downloaded the insurance payment statement from Blue Cross/Blue Shield for my MRI visit. Yep....lots cheaper than the hospital...$404.43 total.&nbsp; However...OpenMRI&nbsp; billed them for $1,463.&nbsp; What a shell game.&nbsp; The other almost $1,100 is written off as a "provider discount" for participating in the BC/BS network.&nbsp; <br><br>(I'll bet if I was paying cash out of my own pocket I wouldn't get a discount like that.)<br><br>Such is life.&nbsp; But they sure make it a challenge on folks like us to try and figure out how much medical care really costs. Not a stinking clue.&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Aug 2012 at 8:58pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.yaf.org/Guilford_ObamaCare.aspx" target="_blank">Thanks ObamaCare: Guilford College Student Insurance Jumps 75 Percent</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Aug 2012 at 8:18am<br /><br /><p>A good example:</p><p><a href="http://health.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=31737&amp;c&#111;ntent=78685475&amp;pageNum=-1" target="_blank">More than 2,200 hospitals face penalties under ObamaCare rules</a></p><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Starting in October, Medicare will reduce reimbursements to hospitals with high 30-day readmission rates -- which refers to patients who return within a month -- by as much as 1 percent. The maximum penalty increases to 2 percent the following year and 3 percent in 2014.</td></tr></table><br>Those pesky patients again, having the gall to come back.<br></p><p>Karl's neighbor is just a drain on the system. Swat her.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Aug 2012 at 8:11am<br /><br /><p>There were a half dozen or so policy wonks on TV talking about "health care" this morning and I finally figured out why they were cranked off.</p><p>People get sick and since they've decided that they want to run that part it is really, really inconvenience for them.</p><p>I expect that's pretty much true of all government, people expect things and it's just a major and huge pain in the butt for our betters. Life would be so much better for them if we didn't exist except as a taxpaying entity. We should all be "coppertops", providing juice to the machine but discarded when our output diminishes.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Aug 2012 at 3:37pm<br /><br />Yep. You bet...who knows better than a centralized control.&nbsp; We already know what will happen...probably.&nbsp; Hospitals will find valid reasons not to re-admit patients so they don't get dinged.<br><br>I wonder if they count it as one incident if it's the same patient re-admitted multiple times.&nbsp; I've know a number of elderly who are in and out constantly.&nbsp; Heck, our 97-year old neighbor lady was in twice within a week. (Which is how I know she's 97. Her birthday was Tuesday and we took some stuff to the hospital and sung her Happy Birthday. LOL She's home now.)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Aug 2012 at 4:07pm<br /><br />Another great government success story...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Aug 2012 at 8:55am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443687504577563000563259044.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" target="_blank">RomneyCare 2.0</a></p><p>The shape of things to come.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Jul 2012 at 5:26pm<br /><br />Sure hate to hear it. &nbsp; I went through a round of back issues a long while back, so I can sympathize, but nothing like her's.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jul 2012 at 6:43pm<br /><br />Aw, that's the pits cause there is nothing worse than nagging back problems.&nbsp; And the prognosis and comments from the Dr. are also the pits.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jul 2012 at 4:31pm<br /><br />Normal? Hmm, depends on how you define normal. If normal is in pain, yes.&nbsp; <br><br>But, I know what you mean and the answer is pretty much no.&nbsp; She has her mother's back (spine) problems. Or as the surgeon described it.."a train wreck".&nbsp; She only has a couple of disks that are normal.&nbsp; And when or if the next one goes...nobody knows.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jul 2012 at 10:39am<br /><br />Has she ever recovered to a state of normal operation?&nbsp; Between proceedures that is, since you mentioned that this was the 3rd.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jul 2012 at 10:28am<br /><br />The health care post reminded me of a comment I was going to post about understand folk's frustration with insurance companies. I think I mentioned my sweetie had back surgery the 22nd of last month. Different disks this time.&nbsp; <br><br>Anyhow, the statements have been arriving from BCBS. Doctor bill...paid.&nbsp; Hospital bill paid. Lab..paid.&nbsp; Etc etc.&nbsp; Till yesterday...the anesthesiologist statement arrived...denied: pre-existing condition. &nbsp; Well, duh. Yeah...it's her 3rd back operation but she's been on the same employer plan for 25 years.&nbsp; And they covered the others bills.&nbsp; Wonder if they expected her to have an operation without an anesthesiologist? Maybe a hard knock to the head with a hammer?<br><br>Pre-existing condition is one that really irks me, even though this has to be an error.&nbsp; With insurance pretty much tied to employment (for the majority of people)...you'd have to stay with the same employer for life (and/or never get sick) to avoid having a pre-existing condition.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jul 2012 at 10:13am<br /><br />Boy...and folks complain about two patients to a room.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jul 2012 at 9:33am<br /><br /><p>Great advances in medical care:</p><p><a href="http://vietnamnews.vnagency.com.vn/social-issues/228075/patients-should-not-have-to-share-beds-by-2015.html" target="_blank">Patients should not have to share beds by 2015</a> (Viet Nam).</p><p>The joys of commie care.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jul 2012 at 5:10am<br /><br />Good way to keep prices high, drive 'em out of making stuff. Sheesh.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jul 2012 at 5:07am<br /><br />Cool!&nbsp; I've been keeping my eye open for one (10/12 cup) with a timer and shuts off the flow so you can get a cup while it's perking and not make a huge mess.&nbsp; No idea of it's age, but the based has a crack that's getting bigger.&nbsp; Plus if you don't shut it off soon after it's done...the coffee becomes undrinkable. (The warmer isn't "warm"...waaay too hot!)<br><br>I've seen lots of nice makers except for one problem...they're all huge.&nbsp; We have limited counter space, especially height wise. <br><br>Anywho...I've been wondering about this.&nbsp; Apparently they are located in Bloomington.&nbsp; But med device makers is HUGE business north of us around Warsaw. <br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/27/indiana-company-scraps-plans-for-expansi&#111;n-over-obamacare-device-tax/" target="_blank">Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jul 2012 at 5:05am<br /><br /><p>Finally worked out but I had to remove SQL and all it's components, reinstall it and then restore the database. Seems the master database had been corrupted which appears to be different than the database I back up. Go figure.</p><p>I hate databases and they hate me. It's a fair trade off.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jul 2012 at 4:45am<br /><br /><p>Already been working on it and fortunately I found a very nice coffee maker at a garage sale last weekend, a Mr. Coffee 12 cupper for $5 still in the original box.</p><p>The old one was producing coffee at room temp....</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jul 2012 at 4:43am<br /><br />Oops. Sorry. Coffee...extra strong. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jul 2012 at 4:36am<br /><br />Yeah, bad day yesterday and then to top it off we have a 2 minute power outage last night that trashed a database so I'm trying to repair it this morning....not going well.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jul 2012 at 4:24am<br /><br />Well...good morning. Up early today it seems.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jul 2012 at 4:22am<br /><br />You'll fall for anything if you stand for nothing.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jul 2012 at 4:20am<br /><br />Our founders pledged their fortunes and lives, literally, when they signed the Declaration of Independence. Too much too ask of politicians to risk their politically lives and fortunes it would seem.<br><br>I did a little more reading at various sites.&nbsp; Apparently 100 GOP house members sent a letter to Boehner urging him to allow the government to shut down rather than pass legislation needed to fund Obamacare.&nbsp; But apparently he feels it's not politically advantageous to the Republicans.<br><br><a href="http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/john-boehner-c&#111;nservatives-spending-c&#111;ntracepti&#111;n.php" target="_blank">Boehner To GOP Conservatives: Cool Your Jets Until The Election | TPMDC</a><br><br>If I thought this was a tactical maneuver, (can't win right now, let's lay low, win the battle for the Senate, then defund Obamacare) I'd say fine.&nbsp; Somehow, even if the GOP winds up with a majority in the Senate and/or Presidential...I'm dubious.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jul 2012 at 2:41am<br /><br />Sometimes I expect to see a report that Boehner has been written up in a medical journal or such as being able to stand upright with a spine made of jello.<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;  mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-ansi-:  EN-US;mso-fareast-:EN-US;mso-bidi-:AR-SA">&nbsp;</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Jul 2012 at 5:52pm<br /><br />Dunno. I read it pretty fast and might check again later. Just makes no sense. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Jul 2012 at 5:39pm<br /><br />I just don't get why Boehner would go that way.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Jul 2012 at 1:57pm<br /><br />Looks like I should have avoided a news bulletin first thing after work. Sigh.<br><br><a href="http://cnsnews.com/news/article/doj-colorado-family-give-your-religi&#111;n-or-your-business" target="_blank">DOJ to Colorado Family: Give Up Your Religion or Your Business | CNSNews.com</a><br><br><a href="http://cnsnews.com/news/article/boehner-indicates-gop-house-may-fund-obamas-attack-religious-liberty" target="_blank">Boehner Indicates GOP House May Fund Obama's 'Attack on Religious Liberty' | CNSNews.com</a><br><br>Regarding Boehner...if he does, he's history IMHO.&nbsp; <br><br>Regarding the first link..&nbsp;&nbsp; This is starting to remind me of&nbsp; religion in China and some other countries. Sure...you can have freedom of religion...as long as it's state approved and controlled.&nbsp; And freedom of religion under the Constitution....I missed reading in our founders writing where that meant freedom of religion (and following those beliefs) within a building...but nowhere else. Very dangerous interpretation.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jul 2012 at 8:38pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/fun/Mallard_Fillmore/2012-07-20/" target="_blank">http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/fun/Mallard_Fillmore/2012-07-20/</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2012 at 2:58pm<br /><br />Yes. We have a wellness program also. Started about a year ago.&nbsp; The last time they had so few people participate that the hospital wouldn't send their crew to our work place.&nbsp; What few of us signed up had to go the the hospital.&nbsp; (I only do it because it's cheap.&nbsp; I just do the cholesterol check.)<br><br>Employees who have their health insurance through our employer generally participate because they have five categories of tests. Cholesterol, smoking, weight,...can't remember the other two. But they can get $5 off their weekly insurance rate for each category they meet the objectives.&nbsp; That would make $25 a week.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2012 at 7:40am<br /><br />Yep, that's my take as well.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2012 at 6:44am<br /><br />Maybe it's just me but I always thought those programs were useless.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jul 2012 at 6:43am<br /><br />They have that here.&nbsp; Supposedly they teach people how to take care of themselves in specific areas in order to prevent health related issues from arising which would cost more than the wellness programs.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Jul 2012 at 7:40pm<br /><br />I don't understand most of that, except for the cost more, get less...if I read correctly.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Jul 2012 at 4:15pm<br /><br /><p>Marvelous.</p><p><a href="http://washingt&#111;nstatewire.com/blog/staggering-health-insurance-premiums-right-around-the-corner-predicts-premera-vice-president/" target="_blank">Staggering Health Insurance Premiums Right Around the Corner, Predicts Premera Vice President</a></p><p>50 to 70% increases.</p><p>I also noticed a whole raft of silly and frilly "wellness" programs offered by my insurance company and I just found out why; I got a refund check from them because they didn't spend 80% on paying for care or wellness programs.</p><p>I'd of much rather they invested the excess, earned a return on it and offset that against future premium increases.</p><p>But nooooo, they've got to spend 80% and in the future I'm sure much of that will go towards "wellness" programs. I guess it's employment for somebody.<br></p><p>Other than that I can't think of a thing to recommend it.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Jul 2012 at 6:40pm<br /><br />I'm sure hoping Georgia will show some backbone.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Jul 2012 at 8:48pm<br /><br />Chuckle. No...I was thinking along the lines of a money pipe. But I think they have their heads stuck in the "pipe" (wink wink)&nbsp; and it's blocking the flow.....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Jul 2012 at 3:59pm<br /><br />The Tooth Fairy? Santa Claus?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Jul 2012 at 3:11pm<br /><br />Oh. That not quite where I imaged they got it from.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Jul 2012 at 3:13am<br /><br />A few times lately I've wondered exactly what would happen if numerous states would start asserting state sovereignty and just refuse to cooperate with the Federals.&nbsp; Not just health care, but other, like immigration. If enough states would tell the Feds to go out in the woods and suck on a rock..it could get interesting indeed.<br><br>But...there's so many people addicted to D.C. way of thinking. <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">"No person with a speck of intelligence would turn down billions in federal dollars that would be a boon to our economy and help Texans," spokeswoman Rebecca Acuña said in a statement. "... Rick Perry’s Texas solution is to let Texans stay ill and uninsured. That is not a health care plan."</td></tr></table><br><br>Everytime I read something like this, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. No person with a speck of intelligence would think there are federal dollars. Where the heck do they think these federal (sic) dollars come from!&nbsp; <br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Jul 2012 at 4:36pm<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.texastribune.org/texas-health-resources/medicaid/perry-tx-w&#111;nt-implement-key-elements-health-re&#102;orm/" target="_blank">Perry: TX Won't Implement Key Elements of Health Reform</a></p><p>Better than nothing.</p><p>If 9 or 10 other states join in it could get interesting.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Jul 2012 at 11:28pm<br /><br />Oh. You planning to send it to some politicians and want them to be able to read it? HeeHee<br><br>I was just wondering a few days ago if that site was still around.&nbsp; I was playing a clip of the Swedish Chief on youtube and my daughter thought I was nuts. She didn't remember him, the way he talked...or that years ago I used to send her some translations. LOL&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Jul 2012 at 3:39pm<br /><br />Hehe, I just translated this page into moron. Not bad.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Jul 2012 at 3:25pm<br /><br />I suspect they use this to translate from standard English:<a href="http://rinkworks.com/dialect/" target="_blank"> Dialectizer</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Jul 2012 at 3:07pm<br /><br /><p>And I'm sure that all those regulations will be in plain English and easy to read and follow.&nbsp;</p><p>Kinda like tax regulations.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Jul 2012 at 3:05pm<br /><br />They (gov programs) always create a need for more lawyers...and rich folks.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Jul 2012 at 2:54pm<br /><br /><p>What could possibly go wrong?</p><p><a href="http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/lawyers-have-already-drafted-13000-pages-of-regulati&#111;ns-for-new-obamatax-law/" target="_blank">Lawyers Have Already Drafted 13,000 Pages of Regulations for New ObamaTax Law</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Jun 2012 at 11:18pm<br /><br />Well...today...with no AC with our power outage, mid-80's and humid...I showed off my legs at home and in public. Too hot and sticky to give a hoot!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2012 at 1:26pm<br /><br />Ah, can't relate to that hair thing. You don't show your legs, I don't show the top of my head (grin).]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2012 at 1:24pm<br /><br />Well...maybe (on covering up). I think it depends on the color of the clothes and the amount of sunlight.&nbsp; "White and baggy" can help.&nbsp; <br><br>The other reason I don't expose anymore skin than I have to is a black and yellow reason. I figure why give the yellowjackets more target area than I have to.&nbsp; I just caught a glimpse of one last night as it flew right into my glasses and ricocheted into my hair.&nbsp; I was sure it was stuck in my hair (paranoia) but my sweetie gave me the all clear. (At least I'm learning not to automatically swat or brush at things I can't see.)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2012 at 1:17pm<br /><br /><p>I wear 'em anyway. To heck with them, they don't have to look.&nbsp;</p><p>I know a lot of people who work outside think covering up is the coolest way to go with long pants and long sleeved shirts.</p><p>I ain't buyin' it.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2012 at 1:14pm<br /><br />...and your legs would look like mine. Let's just say it's a major reason I don't wear shorts anymore.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2012 at 5:19am<br /><br />Heck, if I had BP like that I'd get it printed out and framed....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2012 at 4:04am<br /><br />It's why I don't need to do drugs....I can get high (dizzy) just standing up too fast. HeeHee&nbsp; <br><br>Not complaining...just amazed at how they re-test till they get the results they wanted.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jun 2012 at 11:10pm<br /><br />Man alive!&nbsp; Be proud of your BP in general and forget the differences twixt right and left.&nbsp; You have BPs a 20 year old could be proud of.&nbsp; That is, unless you have low blood pressure issues.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jun 2012 at 8:52pm<br /><br />Oh...to explain. The heart doc says it's normal to have some difference between right and left.&nbsp; I do...and quite often...have quite a bit of difference.&nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jun 2012 at 8:49pm<br /><br />Some Senator or fellow running for senator in Virginia remarked today (on Obamacare ruling) that we can't keep paying the highest med costs per person in the world for second rate care. Second rate care. Yeah....that's why so many folks come to the U.S.&nbsp; <br><br>On the other hand...sometimes I wonder about our medical procedures. Yesterday I had blood drawn during a company sponsored health thingie. (See if the cholesterol pills are doing any good.) But the nurse still took my blood pressure....right arm: 95/65.&nbsp; Then she took it on my left arm to verify: 75/60.&nbsp; Hmmmm...she didn't like that so she got a different BP thingie and it was something like 90/65.&nbsp; "Ah...that's better...closer" she said.&nbsp; <br><br>That's the second time I've had that happen.&nbsp; Sigh.&nbsp; Somehow I don't think my heart doctor would be impressed with their methodology. If you don't get the results you expect and want...keep trying till you do.&nbsp; ROFL&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Jun 2012 at 7:24pm<br /><br />Heck, we won the lottery in our health care in this country considering how many people come here to get medical procedures done.&nbsp; That's okay though, we'll have government run health care soon.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Jun 2012 at 2:56pm<br /><br /><p>"a law designed to avoid greater government intrusion into health care will have been invalidated as an unconstitutional overreach of government power"</p><p>He gets the very best dope.</p><p>I am amazed that our country managed to survive so long without government run health care. Must have been blind luck.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Jun 2012 at 2:20pm<br /><br />Scary. Both.<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/supreme-ir&#111;ny--would-a--single-payer--health-care-plan-be-less-vulnerable-to-the-court-than-the-affordable-health-care-act-.html" target="_blank">Supreme Irony: Would a 'single payer' health care plan be less vulnerable to the court than the Affordable Health Care Act? - Yahoo! News</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Jun 2012 at 1:24pm<br /><br /><p>I swear the man wants fighting in the streets.</p><p><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/12/Chicago-Politics-White-House-Will-Politicize-Potential-Supreme-Court-Ruling-Against-Obamacare-Has-No-Plan-B?utm_source=dlvr.it&amp;utm_medium=twitter" target="_blank">Chicago Politics: White House Will Politicize Potential Supreme Court Ruling Against Obamacare; Has No 'Plan B'</a></p><p><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jun 2012 at 4:32pm<br /><br />Yep and as I figure it this big pharma arm twisting violated about six different laws.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jun 2012 at 4:28pm<br /><br />Heck, a lot of criminal outfits could take lessons from the government. The biggest difference between a lot of what the gov does and criminals?&nbsp; The government has made it legal for them to do the same stuff they'd send others to jail for doing.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jun 2012 at 4:24pm<br /><br /><p>The whole time I was thinking about how Microsoft got taken to the cleaners in the 90s for trying to strong arm vendors into installing only Windows.</p><p>Microsoft could take a lesson or two.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jun 2012 at 4:17pm<br /><br />Wowziers. No kidding. The whole stinking gang ought to be in prison someplace. Or maybe at Gitmo getting water-boarded.&nbsp; If this had be some deal cooked up by private companies, the government would have thrown the book at them for fixing prices, conspiracy and all that stuff.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jun 2012 at 10:36am<br /><br /><p>Where's the outrage?</p><p><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;ntimes.com/news/2012/may/31/threats-deals-got-drug-companies-&#111;n-board-with-oba/" target="_blank">Threats, deals got drug companies on board with Obama</a></p><p>Cheney had a lousy meeting with oil companies and we were told the world was going to end. And here we have naked back room deal making and ....crickets. This administration needs to be brought up on RICO charges, this is just shameful and I can't how it can't be illegal.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 May 2012 at 9:12pm<br /><br />It would be good if it did.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 May 2012 at 6:46pm<br /><br />I saw mention of this today and I can't imagine it going away, it's too big IMO.&nbsp; Surely the details will come out eventually and before the election I would hope.<div>The basic difference in the two presidencies - the former was mostly ethical making missteps along the way now and then and massive blunders on occasion, and the current 'regime' which will go to any and&nbsp;all lengths to get it's way.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 May 2012 at 5:35pm<br /><br /><p><a href="http://campaign2012.washingt&#111;nexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-c&#111;nfidential/gop-probe-uncovers-deal-between-obama-and-drug-cos/546256" target="_blank">GOP probe uncovers deal between Obama and drug cos</a></p><p>Seems there was a deal but no one, other than pharma and the WH, seem to know what it is...3 years later.</p><p>Can you imagine if this had been Bush?</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Apr 2012 at 5:58pm<br /><br />I sure hope so.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br><br>I pray a lot more leaders who traditionally have been afraid to open their mouths speak up more....like that Bishop.&nbsp; (Although I'm not too sure that's not exactly what Obama is after. To be able to weaken the competition. He probably figures he will come out on top because vast majority won't support their leaders in the ballot box.)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Apr 2012 at 4:28pm<br /><br />Obama just keeps making friends with all kinds of people.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Apr 2012 at 2:49pm<br /><br />Somebody is gonna get taken to the woodshed....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Apr 2012 at 2:44pm<br /><br />Wow.<br><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/&#111;nline/at-rally-catholic-bishop-warns-obama-is-following-a-similar-path-to-hitler-stalin/" target="_blank">At Rally, Catholic Bishop Warns Obama Is ‘Following A Similar Path’ To Hitler, Stalin | Mediaite</a><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">“The church will survive the entrenched corruption and sheer incompetence of our Illinois state government, and even the calculated disdain of the president of the United States, his appointed bureaucrats in HHS and of the current majority of the federal Senate. May God have mercy on the souls of those politicians who pretend to be Catholic in church, but in their public lives, rather like Judas Iscariot, betray Jesus Christ by how they vote and how they willingly cooperate with intrinsic evil.<br><br>&#091;...&#093;<br><br>Hitler and Stalin, at their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services and health care. In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, Barack Obama — with his radical, pro abortion and extreme secularist agenda — now seems intent on following a similar path.”</td></tr></table><br><br>Sorry. Multiple left thumbs tonight.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Apr 2012 at 9:13pm<br /><br />There was a news blurb that Hilary Rosen (SP?), who started the fuss by saying Ann Romney never worked a day in her life, may have done Obama a big favor.&nbsp; A favor by taking center stage in the MSM..and taking their eye off the below op-ed.<br><br>The writer says that Obama and others are "double-counting" the nearly 1-trillion bucks for Obamacare.&nbsp; And ...the writer is one of their own...a strong liberal Democratic supporter who has channeled hundreds of thousands to Democratic causes:<br><br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/14/opini&#111;n/ducking-the-medicare-crisis.html" target="_blank">Ducking the Medicare Crisis - NYTimes.com</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Apr 2012 at 5:39pm<br /><br />So...he sure is an ugly version of Rosemary Woodhouse.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Apr 2012 at 3:55pm<br /><br />Haha, just about fell out of my chair.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Apr 2012 at 2:00pm<br /><br /><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/kn041112dAPR20120411124520.jpg" target="_blank">Cartoon</a> (Doesn't surprise me none.)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Apr 2012 at 6:08am<br /><br />Another op-ed on health care. Got to admit it raises issues that I think about (if not Obamacare...what?):<br><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/johncgoodman/2012/04/07/is_there_a_republican_alternative_to_obamacare/page/full/" target="_blank">Is There a Republican Alternative to Obamacare? - John C. Goodman </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Apr 2012 at 8:27pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/12/of_muskets_and_health_care.html" target="_blank">Did the Militia Act of 1792 set a precedent for Obama's health insurance mandate? - Slate Magazine</a><br><br>Not even a close example. Different times, different objective, different people, different everything IMHO. <br><br>More info here. Boy...I got lost here...especially after clicking on some of the links within, like on Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Acts_of_1792" target="_blank">Militia Acts of 1792 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Apr 2012 at 6:51pm<br /><br />Hm. Another viewpoint.<br><a href="http://www.usnews.com/opini&#111;n/blogs/peter-roff/2012/04/05/what-obamas-attack-&#111;n-the-supreme-court-means?google_editors_picks=true" target="_blank">What Obama's Attack on the Supreme Court Means - Peter Roff (usnews.com)</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Apr 2012 at 2:57pm<br /><br />He's not bashful either!&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Apr 2012 at 11:57am<br /><br /><p>Did Scalia just call Obummer a dope?</p><p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/04/05/justice-scalia-and-the-judicial-rope-a-dope/" target="_blank">Justice Scalia and the Judicial Rope-a-Dope</a></p><p>Gotta give it to Scalia, no dope he.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2012 at 7:45pm<br /><br />Good read/points IMHO. (And brings up a good point about the passage of the Defense of Marriage Act by a whopping majority. Yet the imperialPOTUS has decided that it's not constitutional.)<br><br><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;ntimes.com/news/2012/apr/3/obama-flunks-c&#111;nstituti&#111;nal-law/" target="_blank">EDITORIAL: Obama flunks constitutional law - Washington Times</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2012 at 7:09pm<br /><br />Mr. David Dow has a higher opinion of himself than I do with his statement that the law in question is&nbsp;"a clearly constitutional law."&nbsp; He may be a law professor but I put the SCOTUS opinion a bit above his.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2012 at 6:29pm<br /><br />And your second link..impeach the court.&nbsp; Scary yes.&nbsp; Not just for Obamacare...but they probably wish it for any decision that goes against them (the liberals).]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2012 at 6:26pm<br /><br />Wow....Rush must have some ESP coming my way. ROFL&nbsp; I was just thinking today that Obama is counting on the ignorance (and greed) of his audience. Plus I figure he's doing a two-step. If SCOTUS upholds it...he can pat himself on the back and say "What a good court...doing it's job and upholding a law enacted by "democratically elected" members of Congress". &nbsp; And if they overturn it...it gives him all sorts of ammunition to fire up the masses...ranging from activist judges (conservatives of course) and up to maybe trying to change the way our government works. (And goodness only knows it would work better for the president if it was separate but not equal.)<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2012 at 4:03pm<br /><br /><p>Scary.</p><p><a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/03/impeach-the-supreme-court-justices-if-they-overturn-health-care-law.html" target="_blank">Impeach the Supreme Court Justices If They Overturn Health-Care Law</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2012 at 3:48pm<br /><br /><p>Ah...</p><p><a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/04/04/obama_understands_judicial_review_but_counts_&#111;n_the_ignorance_of_his_audience" target="_blank">Obama Understands Judicial Review, But Counts on the Ignorance of His Audience</a></p><p>Highly recommended.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2012 at 3:43pm<br /><br /><p>They won't let go.</p><p><a href="http://campaign2012.washingt&#111;nexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-c&#111;nfidential/again-wh-warns-unprecedented-scotus-ruling/464261" target="_blank">Again! WH warns of 'unprecedented' SCOTUS ruling</a></p><p>I tell ya, they're trying to convince their base that the SCOTUS has never done anything like they're about to do and they're getting them all hopped up to take up the pitchforks.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2012 at 6:55pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/opini&#111;n/2012/04/03/when-it-comes-to-c&#111;nstituti&#111;n-obama-cannot-lay-glove-&#111;n-supreme-court/" target="_blank">When It Comes To The Constitution, The Obama Administration Can't Lay A Glove On The Supreme Court </a><br><br>The Levin audio was decent, at some points quite good.&nbsp; He mentioned all sorts of laws, enacted by duly elected folks that have been overturned by the courts as "unconstitutional"...Prop8 in California, immigration laws in numerous states, so on and so forth.<br><br>And Levin said the same thing I did at work today: Obama wants us to be a banana republic, with a "President" (das leader), a legislative branch that votes the way he tells them...and a court system that rubber stamps whatever the leaders mandates.&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2012 at 6:14pm<br /><br />I think he's setting up his troups for when it is overturned. I expect they believe him when he says the court has never done anything like this before because they don't know any better. I expect thet think Marbury v Madison is a candy bar.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2012 at 6:07pm<br /><br />Obama just keeps insulting and threatening the SCOTUS.&nbsp; Three times now - State of the Union 2010, yesterday in the joint press conference, and today.&nbsp; Like a spoiled brat who's afraid of not getting his way.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2012 at 5:27pm<br /><br /><p>Ouch, another smackdown on his clarification of his earlier remark which needed clarifying.</p><p><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303816504577321844137787970.html" target="_blank">The Man Who Knew Too Little</a></p><p>Subtitle: "President Obama's stunning ignorance of constitutional law."</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2012 at 5:11pm<br /><br /><p>Rarely watch Special Report but what a show tonight. The talking head is taking on that Carney kid.&nbsp;</p><p>Carney is having a very bad night.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2012 at 5:04pm<br /><br />Fox's Special Report led with the 5th circuit story. Also a clip of him speaking today admonishing the court they should respect congressional acts (or something like that, all from memory). I think he dug the hole deeper.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2012 at 4:19pm<br /><br /><p>Oh, nice smackdown.</p><p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-57408827-504564/appeals-court-fires-back-at-obamas-comments-&#111;n-health-care-case/" target="_blank">Appeals court fires back at Obama's comments on health care case</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2012 at 3:04pm<br /><br /><a href="http://nati&#111;n.foxnews.com/mark-levin/2012/04/03/mark-levin-disintegrates-obama-court-shot" target="_blank">Mark Levin DISINTEGRATES Obama Court Shot - Mark Levin - Fox Nation</a><br><br>I haven't had time to listen to this...have to run an errand to the big city. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2012 at 8:25am<br /><br /><p>Looks like a concerted effort.</p><p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-re&#102;orm-implementati&#111;n/219613-dems-wage-pressure-campaign-&#111;n-supreme-court-over-health-ruling" target="_blank">Dems wage pressure campaign on Supreme Court over health ruling</a></p><p>One can only hope that Schumer is right ("It would be a dramatic, 180-degree turn of the tradition of the Commerce Clause.").</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2012 at 7:36pm<br /><br />Justices are human....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2012 at 6:18pm<br /><br />By channel-flipping, I actually managed to catch both ABC and CBS news accounts of Obama and Obamacare.&nbsp; Surprisingly enough, CBS gave a more balanced report IMHO. Pretty much along the lines of the one link I posted.&nbsp; ABC on the other hand covered Obama being optimistic that they would uphold it, mentioning that it was passed by a majority of duly elected reps.&nbsp; But ABC skipped the "unelected" remarks of Obama about the judges....and jumped straight into a short version of this:<br><b><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/president-clint&#111;n-imagines-the-cases-he-would-have-cited-before-the-supreme-court-to-defend-health-care/" target="_blank">President Clinton Imagines the Cases He Would Have Cited Before the Supreme Court to Defend Health Care - ABC News</a></b><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2012 at 5:13pm<br /><br />Out of curiosity I'm going to watch the national news on TV tonight....just to see if they mention it or not. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2012 at 4:54pm<br /><br />I just wonder how much remarks like this make judges...especially SCOTUS...sit up and take notice. Gee...I sure hope they are above such political statements and don't let Obama tick them off and affect their thinking.&nbsp; (And if they do, they are better than I.)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2012 at 3:17pm<br /><br /><p>Just wow. Apparently he hasn't heard about the 3 co-equal branches of government. I guess that stuff is too advanced for high powered ivy league universities.</p><p>Seriously I expect he's just trying to gin up his base but I'm not sure he still has one other than the common commie part of the population.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2012 at 3:02pm<br /><br />Wow. Just wow. You can go to someplace like google...news...and put <b>Obama unelected</b> into search and hit a motherload of hits.&nbsp; Just absolutely amazing. I feel like this one hit:<br><br><a href="http://www.therightsphere.com/2012/04/obama-taught-c&#111;nstituti&#111;nal-law/" target="_blank">Obama Taught Constitutional Law? | The Right Sphere</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2012 at 2:36pm<br /><br />Boy...Obama doesn't much care for very much about our system of government, checks and balances:<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><br>President Obama hosted a North American summit with Canadian Prime Minister Harper and Mexican President Felipe Calderon today at the White House.<br><br>During this summit, the President commented on the recent Supreme Court hearings on his signature healthcare law.<br><br>Obama remains 'confident' that the law will be upheld and felt he had to remind 'conservative commentators'&nbsp; that for four years they complained of 'judicial activism' and that an 'unelected group of people' would overturn a 'duly constituted and passed law' , a scenario he compared his healthcare fight to.</td></tr></table><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2012 at 10:11pm<br /><br />'Til they put pen to paper, from what I've read, what they say during oral arguments frequently has nothing to do with the final decision.&nbsp; It seems reasonable for someone who is under the magnifying glass on a constant basis like he is to avoid saying anything in public unless it is absolutely necessary.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2012 at 4:48pm<br /><br />Oral arguments on one hand seem useless other than questions can be raised since they've already been submitted in writing.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2012 at 4:35pm<br /><br />I thought maybe he might during this one. But I gave in an searched and apparently....Thomas was Thomas. <br><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/545532/" target="_blank">Six Years of Silence for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas - ABC News</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2012 at 4:26pm<br /><br />Didn't see anything other than he never asks questions during oral arguments.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2012 at 4:18pm<br /><br />BTW: I could search for the answer, but that's not really what I'm curious about (whether I can find the answer using a search engine).&nbsp; I've heard or read news or blogs about every supreme court justice during the Obamacare hearings......except I just realized....for one justice: Thomas.&nbsp; <br><br>Anybody else here just happened to hear him mentioned in the news during the hearings. Like...asking any questions.....snoring too loudly or anything?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2012 at 4:07pm<br /><br /><a href="http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/30/another-17-trilli&#111;n-surprise-found-in-obamacare/" target="_blank">Obamacare | Shortfall </a>&nbsp; Ah heck...what's $17 Trillion dollars...except it's a little bit more than the $900 billion Obama said it would cost.<br><br>The above is a text story. Below is a 4:41 Lou Dobbs "Chalk Talk" video:<br><a href="http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1539292778001/gop-discovers-17t-funding-gap-in-health-care-law/" target="_blank">GOP Discovers $17T Funding Gap in Health-Care Law | Video | Fox Business</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2012 at 3:52pm<br /><br />Interesting slant, good to know.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2012 at 3:31pm<br /><br />Would they have passed it without the mandate? Yeah....right...not a snowballs chance.<br><br>Another interesting op-ed, e.g., having everybody with medical insurance isn't the same as everyone getting medical care. <br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/opini&#111;n/2012/03/30/what-doctor-knows-about-obamacare/" target="_blank">What A Doctor Knows About ObamaCare </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2012 at 4:23am<br /><br /><p>He should have more boycotts.</p><p>This isn't the article I mentioned but it's an interesting one:</p><p><a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/29/my_judge_buddy_&#111;n_severability" target="_blank">My Judge Buddy on Severability</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2012 at 4:18am<br /><br />Speaking of Limbaugh....I read that since the Fluke incident...his ratings are up 60 percent. What a fluke eh!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Mar 2012 at 3:23pm<br /><br />Good point. I was reading somewhere today, maybe Limbaugh about how liberals were shocked at the tone of some of the questions as if somehow even questioning that it wasn't constitutional was a foreign idea to them that they'd not previously considered.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Mar 2012 at 3:10pm<br /><br />Kind of interesting, from what exerts I've read. Which may be biased of course since most places I've read have been moderate or conservative sites. But my general impression is that the liberal members of the SCOTUS sounded more like politicians...concerned about the lofty social goals of Obamacare.&nbsp; The more conservative judges sounded more like judges...concerned about the Constitutionality of the law. (What a novel idea.)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Mar 2012 at 8:19am<br /><br />Never dreamed it would look like this at this point.&nbsp; Too soon to be hopeful they will kill the whole thing?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Mar 2012 at 8:07am<br /><br />Encouraging but there are so many 'court watchers'&nbsp;that say that it is very hard to predict final ruling based on the Justices questions or supposed direction they take questioning during arguments.&nbsp; It will surely be interesting come June when the ruling is announced.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Mar 2012 at 7:50am<br /><br /><p>Kate Hicks three way SCOTUS wrap up.</p><p><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/katehicks/2012/03/29/predicti&#111;ns_from_obamacares_week_in_court_goodbye_mandate" target="_blank">Predictions from Obamacare's Week in Court: Goodbye, Mandate?</a>&nbsp;</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 4:42pm<br /><br />Yep, I didn't see anything there about that kind of speech.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 4:41pm<br /><br /><p>Certainly even though it had been a while since Henry VIII the situation of a state church was still fresh in their minds and in fact, as I understand it, the Episcopal church was established in the US right after the revolution to be a standalone church with Church of England forms of worship but was independent.</p><p>IIRC most of the founding fathers were Episcopalians. Wow but would they be shocked at that church today.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 4:18pm<br /><br />It is interesting if one stops to think about ...."Freedom of Speech" in the First Amendment. I just realized it does not guarantee freedom of speech....except for hate speech. &nbsp; Hmmmm.&nbsp; I must be overlooking that some place.<br><br>Ran across this a while back...and it's from a year 2000 poll. Might be more (greater percentage) than that by now. <br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Two thirds of American adults favor the banning of hate speech. This troubles many civil rights supporters. As Ken Paulson said: "The problem with that is it's so easy to characterize what someone else says that offends you as 'hate speech.' "</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 4:13pm<br /><br />The Constitution is like the Bible...it helps to know some of the history leading up to it's writing...the colonies, the different people, customs and such.<br><br>Like the "freedom of religion" clause. I read something recently that covered a lot of different versions the 1st Amendment went through.&nbsp; The below isn't the one I read....but covers it fairly decent.&nbsp; <br><br>It's interesting how most of the drafts had the term "conscience" in them.&nbsp; (Which apparently is something lacking in our current POTUS.)<br><br>The text of the First Amendment:<br><br>Some early draft amendments to the religion section were:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; James Madison, 1789-JUN-7 "The Civil Rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, nor on any pretext infringed. No state shall violate the equal rights of conscience or the freedom of the press, or the trial by jury in criminal cases."<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; House Select Committee, JUL-28 "No religion shall be established by law, nor shall the equal rights of conscience be infringed,"<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Samuel Livermore, AUG-15 "Congress shall make no laws touching religion, or infringing the rights of conscience."<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; House version, AUG-20 "Congress shall make no law establishing religion, or to prevent the free exercise thereof, or to infringe the rights of conscience." (Moved by Fisher Ames)<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Initial Senate version, SEP-3 "Congress shall make no law establishing religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Final Senate version, SEP-9 "Congress shall make no law establishing articles of faith or a mode of worship, or prohibiting the free exercise of religion."<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Conference Committee "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."<br><br>The final wording was accepted by the House of Representatives on 1789-SEP-24; and by the Senate on 1789-SEP-25. It was ratified by the States in 1791.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 4:13pm<br /><br />I guess it should be we'll never live down the damage every president did to the constitution since Wilson (or arguably Lincoln) but especially FDR.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 3:51pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Don Watkins</strong></em><br /><br />Good article. We'll never live down the damage FDR did.</td></tr></table><br><br>And that's the problem with the Obama era...undoing the damage. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 3:51pm<br /><br />Well said. I couldn't agree more.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 3:50pm<br /><br />The last six or so paragraphs in the "sinners" link was the best IMHO. Starting with <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The right’s position on constitutional jurisprudence boiled down to its essence is that every man and woman in America should be able to read the constitution and have a fair understanding of it and how government is supposed to work. One cannot read the constitution and legitimately understand exactly how an abortion right is extrapolated out of the Bill of Rights. Likewise, one cannot read the constitution and understand how a Congress of limited powers can compel any person to purchase a product he does not want.</td></tr></table><br><br>Actually, most of us can read and understand the Constitution pretty plainly. For the most part it's not too difficult. The problem is trying to understand the elitist progressive corrupted interpretations of the Constitution. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 3:46pm<br /><br />Good article. We'll never live down the damage FDR did.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 3:33pm<br /><br />Before I forget...Sowell comments. (But I was first before him...in commenting about the wheat aspect.)<br><br><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/03/28/back_to_the_future/page/full/" target="_blank">Back to the Future? - Thomas Sowell - Townhall Conservative Columnists</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 8:28am<br /><br />We listened to the audio clip that was making the rounds and it was just just excellent!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 7:12am<br /><br /><p>And finally for the morning (I hope) another great summary from Kate Hicks on what's up today at the SCOTUS.</p><p><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/katehicks/2012/03/28/day_three_if_the_mandate_goes_can_the_rest_stay_is_medicaid_expansi&#111;n_coercive" target="_blank">Day Three: If the Mandate Goes, Can the Rest Stay? Is Medicaid Expansion Coercive?</a></p><p>IMO her reporting on this has been excellent and the best of the lot.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 7:09am<br /><br /><p>I guess it's a case of "even if we can't do it this way we'll find a way":</p><p><a href="http://www.bost&#111;n.com/news/nati&#111;n/washingt&#111;n/articles/2012/03/28/loss_of_insurance_mandate_wouldnt_kill_health_law/" target="_blank">Loss of insurance mandate wouldn't kill health law</a></p><p>But again, it's control of the product they're after. Still no tort reform, HSA expansion or, heaven forbid, being able to write off 100% of health care on your taxes. And how can they regulate it as interstate commerce since insurers are limited to a single state? Let 'em sell it country wide. Blue Cross has to have a different company for each state, how efficient can that be?</p><p>That last has always bugged me. We considered moving to another state before our last move but since our insurance wasn't portable to another state that killed that pretty quick.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2012 at 5:41am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/03/28/sinners-in-the-hands-of-anth&#111;ny-kennedy/" target="_blank">Sinners In the Hands of Anthony Kennedy</a></p><p>This is so delicious that I think I got a little drool on my keyboard.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 7:33pm<br /><br />Yup, w v. f, with FDR's stacked court did us in. It would have to be overturned and that ain't happening.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 7:25pm<br /><br />They may overturn part or all of Obamacare. (But I doubt it.)&nbsp; But not for the right reason IMHO....that Federal government has no Constitutional authority to do so. SCOTUS has already made too many rulings that stretch (corrupt) the Founders original intent.&nbsp; (With commerce, imminent domain, freedom of religion and speech...)<br><br>It's like the case of the wheat farmer...who in the early 1940's couldn't even grow wheat for his own use....because it meant he wouldn't have to buy wheat from the open market...thereby affecting commerce nationally.&nbsp; That would be the same as if the government decided to regulate the tomato market (instead of wheat) and made it illegal for people to grow their own tomatoes in home gardens.&nbsp; <br><a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/&#115;cripts/getcase.pl?court=US&amp;vol=317&amp;invol=111" target="_blank">FindLaw | Cases and Codes</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 6:32pm<br /><br />Actually, after reading a bunch of today's arguments, I thought for a while that the solicitor general was&nbsp; Ginsburg.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 6:20pm<br /><br />LOL My bad. I read quite a bit of today's transcript just now and saw he was the "solicitor" general. Oh well...a good laugh on me.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 5:48pm<br /><br />General as in Solicitor General.&nbsp; IOW far off from a real General.&nbsp; Just another lawyer that brownnosed his way up.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 5:17pm<br /><br />Verrilli. Errr..."General" Verrilli is his title. Wonder if he's a real general. Doesn't matter...he's a soldier in Obama's army, which means he's going to follow orders. Which means he'll argue whichever side of the fence he's told....regardless of his personal beliefs.&nbsp; <br><br>Roadside burial. Now there's an idea.&nbsp; LOL<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 4:35pm<br /><br /><p>Took a while to find it:</p><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">JUSTICE BREYER: "I would have thought that your answer -- can the government, in fact, require you to buy cell phones or buy burials that, if we propose comparable situations, if we have, for example, a uniform United States system of paying for every burial such as Medicare Burial, Medicaid Burial, CHIP Burial, ERISA Burial and Emergency Burial beside the side of the road, and Congress wanted to rationalize that system, wouldn't the answer be, yes, of course, they could."</td></tr></table><br>Wasn't quite as blatant as I first remembered but there ya go.<br></p><p>Breyer is, well, pulled off the bottom by Ginsberg. Neither is the sharpest tool on the bench. The Wise Latina, even though I disagree 180 with her, at least sounded like she knew where the bathroom was. And Alito, Scalia and Roberts were honed to a fine edge today.</p><p>Verrilli is said to be a good lawyer. Maybe it's because he was trying to defend the indefensible but he sounded like a dofus to me, stumbling all over the place talking out of both sides of his mouth.</p><p>But I guess he kinda had to do that.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 4:14pm<br /><br /><p>That's what Scalia was saying in that exchange, why is it free in the first place?</p><p>They also brought up burial insurance along with a lot of other stuff like could Congress pass a lot requiring a cell phone or broccli.</p><p>Breyer was at least straight forward about that, he said that Congress could require that everybody buy anything that Congress decided that they should buy.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 3:22pm<br /><br />The one aspect that gives me a lot of pause for thought is the aspect of the folks who don't pay into the system...but wind up using it.&nbsp; With most things if you don't pay...you don't get to play. But since this is "health care"...we don't dare turn anybody away in a time of need.&nbsp;&nbsp; Or could we?<br><br>A second aspect that really bothers me is that they keep calling this "insurance".&nbsp; It's not insurance, from my point of view.&nbsp; It's like buying a funeral policy and praying you'll never need to use it. Of course we will...sometime.&nbsp; It's not like a car or home owners insurance policy where if you're real lucky you may never ever have to use it.<br><br>It just seems that "health insurance" is the same thing...it's something that is going to be used sooner or later, maybe a little...maybe a lot.&nbsp; Calling it what it really is...."medical coverage" (or something similar) would be a whole lot more accurate.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 3:06pm<br /><br />I'll have to pick up the links later.<br><br>I enjoyed one comment I read on my way hear, by Scalia(?) to that Vermin fellow, "We're not stupid!!"<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 2:59pm<br /><br />And here's a written transcript&nbsp; <a href="http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/46870379/#46870379" target="_blank">http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/46870379/#46870379</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 2:42pm<br /><br /><p>Excellent!</p><p><br></p><p>GENERAL VERRILLI: No. It's because you're going -- in the health care market, you're going into the market without the ability to pay for what you get, getting the health care service anyway as a result of the social norms that allow -- that --<em> to which we've obligated ourselves so that people get health care.</em></p><p>JUSTICE SCALIA: <strong><em>Well, don't obligate yourself to that. Why -- you know</em></strong>?</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 2:31pm<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=11-398-Tuesday" target="_blank">Audio from day two.</a></p><p>About 10 minutes in and so far it's fascinating.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 2:08pm<br /><br /><p>Best wrap up of what I've seen (so far):</p><p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/27/toobin-train-wreck-for-the-obama-administrati&#111;n-today-&#111;n-individual-mandate/" target="_blank">Toobin: “Train wreck for the Obama administration” today on individual mandate</a></p><p>and</p><p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/03/27/early-scotus-report-individual-mandate-may-be-in-big-trouble/" target="_blank">Early SCOTUS Report: Individual Mandate May Be In Big Trouble</a></p><p>Bottom line, 4 liberals in favor, 4 conservatives against and Kennedy looks dubious so probably 5-4 against in early tea leaf readings.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 12:51pm<br /><br />Highly dubious in fact.&nbsp; A surprise to both sides I think.&nbsp; I think the Fed. attys. are shocked and I say "Excellent!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 12:34pm<br /><br />Yup, it looks like Kennedy at least is dubious and I'm betting it's all on him.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 12:05pm<br /><br />From audio comments by the Justices it is sounding more and more like the mandate portion, at least, will be struck down.&nbsp; <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/c&#111;nservative-justices-insurance-mandate-152049742.html" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/conservative-justices-insurance-mandate-152049742.html</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2012 at 10:25am<br /><br /><p>Today is the biggie.</p><p><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/katehicks/2012/03/27/day_two_is_the_mandate_c&#111;nstituti&#111;nal" target="_blank">Day Two: Is the Mandate Constitutional?</a></p><p>Okay, here's what I don't get. The argument is that right now there are a lot of freeloaders who run up big bills because they don't have "insurance" and the rest of us pay for that.</p><p>Okay, if everyone is required to have "insurance" and someone with "insurance" runs up a big bill who pays for it? For that matter who pays for their "insurance"?</p><p>Some magic unicorn that delivers a pot of money in the middle of the night?</p><p>Why do I think it's the rest of us? Am I damaged because I have a hard time believing in the magic unicorn?</p><p>Then there's the argument that people without insurance go to the emergency room which is really, really expensive.</p><p>Why is it so much more expensive than going to a doctor and if that's really true why not set up a non-emergency clinic in the emergency room that's the same price as going to the doctor? Did the magic unicorn forget to drop off a pot of money to open a non-emergency clinic?</p><p>Oh, it's because they wait and go to the emergency room when it's serious and don't go see a doctor for preventative care before it gets serious because they don't have "insurance"?</p><p>You can't be serious. What is that, $50 a year?</p><p>At the end of the day I have to agree that it's about control; they know they can't keep the promise of Medicare and in order to remain anything near solvent health care has to be rationed and they're just the ones to do it.</p><p>At least be honest about it.</p><p>Like that's going to happen.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 5:22pm<br /><br />HeeHee&nbsp; I doubt he'll find any from anybody else in his party.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 5:16pm<br /><br />&nbsp;I wondered if he gave himself a lobotomy but he is missing a critical piece of raw material.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 5:03pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Don Watkins</strong></em><br /><br />And he didn't even scream.</td></tr></table><br><br>He is a doctor. Maybe he wrote himself a prescription for some tranquilizers?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 5:02pm<br /><br />Ah: <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">* H. Bartow Farr III, a Supreme Court-appointed attorney:<br><br>Farr, a partner at Farr &amp; Taranto, will argue that if the government cannot require people to buy health insurance, all other provisions of the law can survive. That was the ruling by a U.S. appeals court that decided the case. The administration has taken a different view and said that without the mandate, two other critical provisions would also have to fall. They bar insurers from refusing to cover a person because of a pre-existing medical condition and from charging higher premiums based on a person's medical history.</td></tr></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 4:56pm<br /><br />And he didn't even scream.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 4:52pm<br /><br />A TV show a few days back commented on the court appointing an attorney to argue some things SCOTUS thought important. I'm pretty sure it was "plural"...but I can't remember what the other issues were.<br><br>You know what's really scary? Howard Dean actually talking like a sane person. And actually making more sense than most of the rest of the folks involved in Obamacare.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 4:32pm<br /><br /><p>I had a hard time following a lot of it because so much of it is very technical in terms of prior law plus both the government and those opposed to Obamacare held the same position and, as best as I could tell, the SCOTUS had to appoint an attorney to argue for the anti-injunction act applying.</p><p>I expect the real arguments start tomorrow and, at least based on one article I read, all this is really for Kennedy as it's expected that all the rest have already made up their minds.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 4:27pm<br /><br />Ref "contracts". Boy...I'd have to think about that. It seems we are compelled to sign contracts all the time against our free will.&nbsp; <br><br>So far I've been surprised at some of the stuff I've read. I'd expected the liberal members of the court to jump on that old tax law. But from what I read, they seemed more leery of the solicitors arguments than the conservative justices.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 3:01pm<br /><br /><p>Indeed.</p><p>Read a lot of them as well. I though Limbaugh's was very informative.</p><p><a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/26/making_the_complex_understandable_obamacare_arguments_at_supreme_court" target="_blank">Making the Complex Understandable: Obamacare Arguments at Supreme Court</a></p><p>Interesting remarks near the end re: the Institute for Justice friend of the court brief. Indeed.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 2:58pm<br /><br />I read a bunch of stories (blurbs) on my way here. Interesting. Apparently they had a few good laughs at the Obama fellow who insists it is not a tax...but a penalty...but keeps calling it a tax none-the-less.&nbsp; However...they didn't write it up as a tax...so it sounds like that obscure tax law won't apply.<br><br>Might be interesting. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 1:22pm<br /><br /><p>I listened to/read some of the arguments today and it was paint drying; both sides were arguing that the case didn't violate the 1863 anti-injunction act which says that before a tax can be litigated somebody has to pay it.</p><p>It seemed to me that the SCOTUS was favorable to the notion that they could rule on this even though no tax would be levied until 2014.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 12:58pm<br /><br />Audio and transcripts <a href="http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=11-398-M&#111;nday" target="_blank">here</a>.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2012 at 12:22pm<br /><br /><p>One prediction from an unexpected source:</p><p><a href="http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/howard-dean-predicts-supreme-court-will-declare-individual-mandate-unc&#111;nstituti&#111;nal/" target="_blank">Howard Dean predicts Supreme Court will declare individual mandate unconstitutional</a></p><p>Here's a great rundown on what's happening at the SCOTUS re: Obambicare arguments and when:</p><p><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/katehicks/2012/03/26/obamacare_goes_to_the_supreme_court#" target="_blank">Obamacare Goes to the Supreme Court</a> (Hope that's a good link, having problems getting to Townhall today. It did work once.)</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2012 at 11:10am<br /><br />ROFL&nbsp; There's just enough truth in there (and reading between the lines of what the various folks have said) to make it sad but true.&nbsp; HeeHee]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2012 at 10:50am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://azc&#111;nservative.org/2012/03/24/pelosi-predicts-court-will-find-obamacare-c&#111;nstituti&#111;nal/" target="_blank">Pelosi Predicts Court Will Find Obamacare Constitutional</a></p><p>I almost thought this was serious at first, just shows how nuts some people are.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2012 at 9:00am<br /><br />Just checked to see where St. John, Indiana is located. My hunch was pretty close...just south of Gary/Hammond and Chicago, ILL. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2012 at 8:58am<br /><br />This was interesting:<br><a href="http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2012/03/father-sammie-maletta-&#111;n-obamas-war-&#111;n.html" target="_blank">. . . With Both Hands: Father Sammie Maletta on Obama's War on Catholics and Religious Liberty</a><br><br>It's audio only and about 11 or 14 minutes long. It's the first time I can recall a preacher (priest in this case) speaking directly out in a service like this.&nbsp; And his conclusion as to why the government (Obama) lied to the Catholic Church and why they are making contraception "the issue"....pretty much the same as my conclusion.&nbsp;&nbsp; They want the Catholic Church to close their social services...hospitals, schools, hospices...you name it. Which will leave a huge gap of poor and needy people with nobody to help them. Unless of course, the government steps in and takes over.&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Mar 2012 at 8:21am<br /><br />You know the old saying...communism by any other name is still communistic (or something like that). <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Mar 2012 at 6:23am<br /><br /><p>Some history I wasn't aware of.</p><p><a href="http://news.investors.com/article/605433/201203231732/obamacare-ominously-similar-to-soviet-socialized-medicine.htm" target="_blank">ObamaCare Vs. LeninCare: Not Much Difference</a></p><p>If this is true just wow.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2012 at 6:19pm<br /><br />Marvelous.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2012 at 6:11pm<br /><br />You'll be able to get stamps and neutered in one quick, uh, make that one stop, just not quick.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2012 at 6:08pm<br /><br />One stop shopping....&nbsp; Wonder if they'll have that flat-rate deal like now...if it fits, it ships...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2012 at 6:04pm<br /><br />Marvelous, it'll be like going to the post office...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2012 at 5:25pm<br /><br />HeeHee<br><br><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/lb0321cd20120320082812.jpg" target="_blank">HHS Clinics...soon to a neighborhood near us all.</a><br><br>Great...just can't wait for the government to fix everybody.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Mar 2012 at 7:03am<br /><br /><p>Didn't see this on the front page either. Forget the source, it's real, I just think that he added some interesting angles.</p><p><a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/14/cbo_analysis_2014_is_when_the_real_obamacare_excrement_will_hit_the_fan" target="_blank">CBO Analysis: 2014 is When the Real Obamacare Excrement Will Hit the Fan</a></p><p>2014 for a reason. Sneaky.</p><p><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Feb 2012 at 8:43pm<br /><br />Interesting. And scary. I actually watched the short video.<br><a href="http://weaselzippers.us/2012/02/27/dem-c&#111;ngresswoman-asked-about-obamacare-mandate-basically-were-not-looking-to-the-c&#111;nstituti&#111;n/" target="_blank">Weasel Zippers » Blog Archive » Dem Congresswoman Asked About Obamacare Mandate: “Basically, We’re Not Looking To The Constitution”…</a><br><br>They are not looking to the Constitution...because this Congress has decided that health care is a basic right.<br><br>At the very end of the video a fellow who had been asking questions asked, "Why contraception? Why not band-aids or cancer screenings?"&nbsp; <br><br>These libs are scary. They see no conflict between the Constitution and requiring free stuff.&nbsp; And they see no problem with saying the insurance company can pay for it...which means that religious institutions won't have to feel like they are involved.<br><br>HMM...wasn't it the United States, after WWII...along with it's partners....that tried, convicted and executed war criminals for their indirect complicity in crimes?&nbsp; Don't we still legally hold people responsible for indirect actions? (Somebody drowns or is assaulted but you fail to help or call for help. Or you lend your car to somebody who commits a crime. Your car is history...even though you had nothing to do with it.)<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Feb 2012 at 6:01am<br /><br />And don't forget the pursuit tax!!<br><br><a href="http://www.gocomics.com/brevity/2012/02/25" target="_blank">By coincidence just now</a>...there's always little glitches while trying to rake in your happiness.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Feb 2012 at 5:53am<br /><br />I don't feel like I have there's any pursuit left and if there were you'd need a license.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Feb 2012 at 5:52am<br /><br />Well, I've got two out of three this morning (coffee and a Hostess cupcake. LOL)<br><br>This "pursuit of happiness" may be the big problem. I'll go out on a limb and sound crazy (crazier) this morning.&nbsp; I think when it was written, the "pursuit"&nbsp; was the important thing. Having the freedom to try. And today...the liberals...the Obamas of the country have corrupted it to mean that actually obtaining happiness is guaranteed by the Constitution. <br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Feb 2012 at 4:58am<br /><br /><p>Food, chocolate, coffee and ..... guns.</p><p>That's the idea behind my gun theory but at least guns are mentioned in the constitution. I don't recall seeing abortion and birth control mentioned at all.</p><p>And I want a big 'o dose of pursuit of happiness. I figure we're all due for that.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Feb 2012 at 4:53am<br /><br /><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/payn_c9660120120221120100.jpg" target="_blank">Free lunch</a>&nbsp; I saw this cartoon a while back and thought of it as just another jab at Obama's contraception mandate. Heck, I might have already posted the link to it here in another thread. ROFL<br><br>I ran into it again this morning while searching for something else. A light went on. Wow! How scary true!&nbsp; If birth-control stuff is a "right" and a "free" one at that....what about "food"!&nbsp; Boy, that is one of the basic necessities of life, right after coffee and chocolate.&nbsp; <br><br>If the gov can mandate private companies provide free (sic) anti-contraception devices to folks, they can sure as heck require free food.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Feb 2012 at 10:58am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72831.html" target="_blank">Employer insurance declines, survey shows</a></p><p>The original intent of Obamacare IMO; force everybody to get government insurance and be dependent on it.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jan 2012 at 6:01pm<br /><br />IMHO they want everybody on a government plan for everything any more. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jan 2012 at 8:19am<br /><br /><p>The (the dims) feel like Texans are being ripped off.</p><p>Plus they want privately uninsured people so they can put 'em on the gooberment plan.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jan 2012 at 6:48am<br /><br />Never mind. Guess I answered my own question: dims and logic in the same breath. Sorry.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jan 2012 at 6:48am<br /><br />Asking to deny it? What logic is that!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jan 2012 at 6:45am<br /><br /><p>I saw another article on a commie site about a "consumer" who cringes when they get their insurance bill.</p><p>By all means, I cringe when I get any bill and especially the insurance as it's a big gulp but nothing, NOTHING, compares to the gulp I get from the tax bill.</p><p>At least with the insurance bill I feel like I'm getting something.</p><p>Oh, and upon further reading I found a letter from Texas dims asking HHS to deny the request.</p><p>Thanks guys.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jan 2012 at 6:41am<br /><br />It's a problem with no solution, that's for sure.&nbsp; (Health care for things like per-existing conditions.)<br><br>Or perhaps the problem is related to many other of today's issues. "Rights" as defined by modern society and civil governments versus a Christian view of life...birth through after-life.&nbsp; We've had some discussions here with a close relative lately of "insurance" versus paying for an all-you-can-eat medical buffet. <br><br>&nbsp;I'm still old-school I guess in that I see insurance as something paid for that you pray you do not have to use. Or at least not much or else rates will go up or the insurer will go broke.&nbsp; Others have the opinion that they want to pay a set fee and have unlimited doctoring. <br><br>(So do I, but I know that's just not possible. You couldn't buy a repair policy for vehicles, home, appliances, et al, and have unlimited repairs for a small set fee.)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Jan 2012 at 6:16am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-politics/feds-deny-texas-waiver-&#111;n-health-insurance-rules-2131147.html" target="_blank">Feds deny Texas waiver on health insurance rules</a></p><p>Bottom line is that insurance companies that incur 20% or more of premiums for overhead have to kick back premiums for those not insured by employers. Texas says do it over 4 years as otherwise they'll just pick up stakes and quit issuing policies.</p><p>I have no idea if my insurance company falls in that category or not but seeing first hand the mess lawmakers made of medical insurance in Wa. I am semi-concerned that we'll soon be without.</p><p>That Wa. thing was a mess. The state said any insurance company doing business had to cover preexisting conditions. In the days when AIDS medication cost $10k a month they _all_, to a one, just pulled up and left the state.</p><p>There was a government run insurance plan; it was overpriced, had no real benefits and took forever to get into.</p><p>A real mess.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Dec 2011 at 8:14pm<br /><br />Really. To think that she wasn't jnvolved strained credibility but there ya go.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Dec 2011 at 8:06pm<br /><br /><a href="http://cnsnews.com/news/article/internal-doj-email-kagan-was-brought-loop-mark-levin-s-obamacare-complaint" target="_blank">Internal DOJ Email: Kagan Was Brought Into Loop on Mark Levin’s Obamacare Complaint | CNSnews.com</a><br><br>Gee....she lied. (During her confirmation.) What a surprise....not.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Nov 2011 at 6:28pm<br /><br />Not unexpected.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Nov 2011 at 12:11pm<br /><br /><p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-re&#102;orm-implementati&#111;n/195663-obama-administrati&#111;n-rejects-republican-states-health-waiver-requests" target="_blank">Obama administration rejects Republican states' health law waiver requests</a></p><p>ObaMao to Indiana (and La.): Pound sand.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=275" rel="nofollow">andreP</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Nov 2011 at 3:34am<br /><br />Pretty interesting.. :-)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Nov 2011 at 5:39pm<br /><br />Not gonna do it, my guy says it's a done deal just as soon as I send him a small transfer fee.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Nov 2011 at 4:56pm<br /><br />OK....I'll wager my portion of my Nigerian windfall against your share....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Nov 2011 at 4:47pm<br /><br /><p>The problem as I see if if the court doesn't strike it down there are no limits on Congress, they can control everything via the Commerce Cause.</p><p>The limits on Congress in the constitution would be out the window.</p><p>I'm betting they vote it down by the usual 5 to 4 vote.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Nov 2011 at 4:05pm<br /><br />While I'm thinking about it: Obamacare is heading to the Supreme Court next March(?)...2012.<br><br>Any bets?<br><br>I'm betting they either uphold it...or uphold enough of it as Constitutional that it won't make any difference.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Because any Court that will uphold stealing private property under the Eminent Domain provision will uphold Obamacare.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Nov 2011 at 11:02am<br /><br /><p>Nothing really new here but I've always enjoyed Jerry Pournelle. And an interesting fact on emergency room closures in Ca (or is that just LA, can't recall now).</p><p><a href="http://jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/?p=3458#dilemma" target="_blank">The Insurance Dilemma</a></p><p>I guess the one question that I have never seen answered is why hospitals must provide free medical care.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Oct 2011 at 3:10pm<br /><br />We are different, that I must admit.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Oct 2011 at 8:57am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-re&#102;orm-implementati&#111;n/186527-c&#111;nsumer-group-slams-indianas-request-for-permanent-health-law-waiver" target="_blank">Group rips Indiana request for permanent health law waiver</a></p><p>Indiana is number 1 in my book.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2011 at 4:06pm<br /><br />Yup. And another example of why businesses aren't hiring what with being uncertain as to how much an employee is going to cost in the future.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2011 at 3:54pm<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pcnet-&#111;nline.com/discus/clipart/mousescared.gif" height="26" width="26" border="0" alt="Scared" title="Scared" /><br>I was afraid of that. I started to say that that lower figure is about what we pay now. (Actually my sweetie through her employer.)&nbsp; But...that's for a family plan.&nbsp; I can only guess what the gov family plan might run.<br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2011 at 3:32pm<br /><br /><p>I read individual as one person.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2011 at 3:27pm<br /><br />Individual? <br><br>Individual as in for one person or as in one policy that might cover a family?<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2011 at 8:59am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/06/feds-draft-basic-benefits-package-under-health-care-law/" target="_blank">Feds Draft Basic Benefits Package Under Health Care Law</a></p><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The federal government is taking on a crucial new role in the nation's health care, designing a basic benefits package for millions of privately insured Americans. .... The panel's rough estimate put annual premiums for individual coverage under the plan at $5,500 to $7,000</td></tr></table><br>If that's the case we'll just have to go to jail, no way can we afford that kind of premium. While it's not great by any means our current coverage is a pretty good deal in my book which means we can afford it and it takes care of any disasters without sending us to the poor house. Sounds like this plan would send us to the poor house without us having to wait.<br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Sep 2011 at 2:55pm<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/why-obama-wants-supreme-court-fight-health-re&#102;orm-092607690.html" target="_blank">Why Obama Wants a Supreme Court Fight on Health Reform in 2012 - Yahoo! News</a><br><br>I think Obama figures he has a "win-win" situation.&nbsp; If the Supreme Court upholds it..he's won big time.&nbsp; If he loses....it might even be better than winning by firing up leftist voters.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Aug 2011 at 8:44pm<br /><br />That judge should have said, "unconstitutionally grown..."]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Aug 2011 at 5:56pm<br /><br />Shame we don't have judges that can/will read.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Aug 2011 at 3:10pm<br /><br />What is scary is a statement from the one judge who dissented. Scary for short term with Obamacare, and long term regarding the role of the federal government. There's lots of folks who believe this:<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The majority "has ignored the undeniable fact that Congress' commerce power has grown exponentially over the past two centuries and is now generally accepted as having afforded Congress the authority to create rules regulating large areas of our national economy," wrote Marcus, also a Clinton appointee to the appeals court.</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Aug 2011 at 1:29pm<br /><br /><p>O's August just got a bit worse.</p><p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/12/us-usa-healthcare-idUSTRE77B4J320110812" target="_blank">Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law</a></p><p>Looks like it was a 3 judge panel and it was 2-1.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Aug 2011 at 6:05pm<br /><br /><a href="http://washingt&#111;nexaminer.com/politics/2011/08/birth-c&#111;ntrol-plan-c&#111;nscience-vs-special-interests" target="_blank">Birth control plan: Conscience vs. special interests</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Aug 2011 at 3:44pm<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/insurers-must-cover-birth-c&#111;ntrol-no-copays-140750830.html" target="_blank">Insurers must cover birth control with no copays </a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Jul 2011 at 7:00pm<br /><br />This is a little update about Obama's mother and her insurance story.<br><br>Veeeery interesting:<br><a href="http://washingt&#111;nexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-c&#111;nfidential/2011/07/author-who-debunked-obama-insurance-tale-doesnt-want-talk" target="_blank">Author who debunked Obama insurance tale doesn't want to talk </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Jul 2011 at 8:22pm<br /><br />Yep, lips moved.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Jul 2011 at 7:11pm<br /><br />Just speaks half-truths.....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Jul 2011 at 4:43pm<br /><br /><p>He, he, he....gasp, lied?!!</p><p>Oh, wait, his lips were moving.</p><p>Figures.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Jul 2011 at 3:19pm<br /><br />Now, isn't this special (if true):<br><br><a href="http://washingt&#111;nexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/fresh-doubt-cast-obamas-health-care-story" target="_blank">Fresh doubt cast on Obama's health care story about his mother| Byron York | Politics | Washington Examiner</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jul 2011 at 6:43pm<br /><br />What a hoot!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jul 2011 at 6:13pm<br /><br />WILL:.......Congress does have the power to mandate?<br><br>DYSON: It's open. If they decide that they will, they will have the power to do so.<br><br>"If they decide that they will, they will have the power to do so."<br><br>Heaven help us.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jul 2011 at 4:16pm<br /><br /><p>Absolutely rolling on the floor stuff. Well, compared to most Sunday talking heads fare.</p><p><a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/07/03/will-asks-week-panel-does-c&#111;ngress-have-c&#111;nstituti&#111;nal-power-require-" target="_blank">George Will Asks This Week Panel: Can Congress Require Obese People to Sign Up for Weight Watchers?</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Jun 2011 at 2:23pm<br /><br />That explains a headline I saw...Gov won't spy on terrorists or illegals...but will on doctors....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Jun 2011 at 12:52pm<br /><br /><p>You can't make this stuff up.</p><p><a href="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/government-to-use-secret-shoppers-to-spy-&#111;n-doctors/" target="_blank">Government To Use ‘Secret Shoppers’ to ‘Spy’ on Doctors</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Jun 2011 at 5:55pm<br /><br />Good news.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Jun 2011 at 3:34pm<br /><br />Good write up.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Jun 2011 at 12:05pm<br /><br /><p>Still sloshing about in the courts. An update.</p><p><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303714704576383443814815916.html?mod=rss_opini&#111;n_main" target="_blank">Why ObamaCare Is Losing in the Courts</a></p><p>Seems that the government lawyers can't quite find a way to explain it in a context that isn't unconstitutional.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 May 2011 at 5:54pm<br /><br />I'm broke. Sorry, no help here.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 May 2011 at 4:07pm<br /><br />If they keep waivering people...who's left?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 May 2011 at 4:07pm<br /><br />AARP had a pretty big exodus of members over that issue - don't know if it was enuf to hurt but it was a good sized group.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 May 2011 at 4:03pm<br /><br /><p>Oh yeah, you bet, I can't recall the amount of old folks money they spent on promoting it but it was a very big number.</p><p>I'm pretty sure they also lobbied for the new law to cripple their competitors in the insurance business.&nbsp;</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 May 2011 at 3:20pm<br /><br />Wasn't AARP one of the big supporters of Obamacare? <br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110520/pl_dailycaller/afteraarpgetswaiverfromobamacarec&#111;nservativegroupsfightforin&#102;ormati&#111;nanswers" target="_blank">After AARP gets ‘waiver’ from Obamacare, conservative groups fight for information, answers - Yahoo! News</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 May 2011 at 7:20am<br /><br />I kind of hope Vermont does pass their single-payer system that covers everybody. How long do you think it would take for their population to swell by those happy to have somebody else paying their way?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 May 2011 at 6:28am<br /><br />I don't understand why some people seem to think that borders don't mean anything. I mean if they don't mean anything your country doesn't mean anything, your laws don't mean anything...oh, wait, now I get it....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Apr 2011 at 11:32pm<br /><br />This could have gone in "immigration" thread, but seems more fitting for health care. Or maybe I should have started a new thread titled "People whose views I will never ever understand if I live a day older than the end of eternity."&nbsp; (Which is longer than the thread title limit...HeeHee<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/30/verm&#111;nts-single-payer-health-care-ignites-debate-covering-illegal-immigrants/" target="_blank">Vermont's Single-Payer Health Care Bill Ignites Debate Over Covering Illegal Immigrants </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Apr 2011 at 3:53pm<br /><br />More hoax and chains.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Apr 2011 at 3:52pm<br /><br />Ah, the brave new world. Something wicked this way comes. (Must be part of Obama's shared suffering...)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Apr 2011 at 6:54am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20110420/tuk-hospital-waiting-times-at-three-year-a7ad41d.html" target="_blank">Hospital waiting times 'at three-year-high'</a> (UK)</p><p>Coming soon to a hospital near you.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2011 at 4:11pm<br /><br />It's like the cost per ounce at some of the supermarkets. Cost per calorie.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2011 at 3:49pm<br /><br />I think this is a video of the <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/counting-calories-diet-american-eat-food-13283562" target="_blank">Is calorie count really making a difference</a>.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2011 at 3:31pm<br /><br />I almost forgot something I saw a few days ago on a MSM TV news blurb. It was about the mandatory calorie listing on restaurant menus.&nbsp; I'm not sure if any of ya'll caught it or not?&nbsp; Apparently in some places where that's been done...(NYC courtesy of Bloomberg??)...it's had the exact opposite effect of what they wanted.&nbsp; Most people ignore it...but for some reason...a lot of people look at it and say, "Hey...I want to get my monies worth"&nbsp; and they opt for the higher calorie items. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2011 at 3:16pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/04/04/2011-04-04_health_depts_new_guide_focuses_more_&#111;n_d&#111;nts_than_dos.html#ixzz1IZMU8oIW" target="_blank">No fried food: Health Dept. workers cringe at new rules restricting foods, fragrances, decorations</a><br><br>And...only air popped popcorn allowed. <br><br>Man...those are going to be some really sad and grump employees. ROFL&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2011 at 11:02am<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkH_aaaSOP0" target="_blank">YouTube - ObamaCare - Live Your Carefree Lifestyle</a><br><br><br><img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2011 at 4:28pm<br /><br /><p>I'm betting you get charged for each visit and I'm betting that most of those docs don't take insurance.</p><p>The only one I know of that's close to this is a doctor we used to go to, a great guy, that just quit taking insurance. No annual fee or anything but he's now kinda exclusive.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2011 at 2:56pm<br /><br />Ah....you're miffed because you didn't get that 100 million dollar house.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br><br>Actually...I thought that doctor retainer things sounded interesting.&nbsp; Unless that's just a retainer and you get charged a second time by the doc if you have to see him.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2011 at 1:11pm<br /><br /><p>Wow, how terrible. People with money get better stuff than people with less money.</p><p>I'm a little miffed, they also get better cars, food, and other stuff than I do. They also probably get someone to do their yard work not to mention a better house.</p><p>When will the government address this terrible injustice? Oh, wait....</p><p><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2011 at 11:03am<br /><br />Interesting. And here I thought it was just a TV show:<br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110402/ap_&#111;n_re_us/us_two_tier_medicare" target="_blank">High-end medical option prompts Medicare worries - concierge medicine</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Mar 2011 at 8:40am<br /><br />I don't understand what the Dem's get out of this. &nbsp;They excluded themselves from Obamacare.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Mar 2011 at 3:48pm<br /><br />Me too. I bet even the folks who wrote it get a headache reading it.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Mar 2011 at 3:28pm<br /><br />Just looking at the list of things that would fund gives me a headache.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Mar 2011 at 3:19pm<br /><br />Rep. Michele Bachmann talked about a hidden $105 billion "auto payment" in the health care bill.&nbsp; Then I read some fellow GOPers were saying she was mistaken.<br><br>But apparently others say the same thing, so I'm not quite sure what's what. (Other than there's some really interesting reader comments. LOL):<br><br><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/terryjeffrey/2011/03/16/c&#111;ngress_must_stop_$1055_billi&#111;n_in_automatic_obamacare_spending/page/full/" target="_blank">Congress Must Stop $105.5 Billion in Automatic Obamacare Spending - Terry Jeffrey - Townhall Conservative</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Mar 2011 at 6:53pm<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110315/pl_dailycaller/housedemsaskc&#111;ngresstofessup&#111;nhealthcarebenefits" target="_blank">House Dems ask Congress to ‘fess up’ on healthcare benefits - Yahoo! News</a><br><br>Hmmm....might be interesting. <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Mar 2011 at 9:51am<br /><br />These efforts do help paint the picture that Obama is not what many people thought they were getting.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2011 at 1:50pm<br /><br />So much for transparency:<br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/12/obama-tells-gop-nice-try-health-care-records/undefined/undefined/" target="_blank">Obama Tells GOP: Nice Try on Health Care Records </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Feb 2011 at 6:26pm<br /><br />Renegade because he disagreed with the liberals.<br><br>And what if the judge says.."no"?<br><br>Or if Alaska says..."don't care...not gonna".<br><br>From folks I served with from Alaska...they're not too fond on the lower 48 anyhow. And have a rather independent spirit.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Feb 2011 at 4:18pm<br /><br /><p>"This is one renegade judge that has reached this decision".</p><p>Nah, no bias on his part.&nbsp;</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Feb 2011 at 2:28am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Don Watkins</strong></em><br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/47905955/Vins&#111;n-opini&#111;n" target="_blank">Entire opinion here</a>.</p><p>Dry in places but some good reading.</p></td></tr></table><br><br>Need a large drink while reading that. LOL&nbsp; Unusual...a judge who actually reasons.<br><br>In all these debates of government, regardless of the issue, I always return to John Adams:<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798</td></tr></table><br><br>Even from a purely secular point of view....what can we expect from a cabbage society?<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The Lord's Prayer is 66 words, the Gettysburg Address is 286 words, there are 1,322 words in the Declaration of Independence, but government regulations on the sale of cabbage total 26,911 words.&nbsp; ~National Review</td></tr></table><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Feb 2011 at 3:13pm<br /><br /><p>Yup, the answer is what can they mandate?</p><p>Anything they want.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Feb 2011 at 2:56pm<br /><br />If ObamaCare Is Valid, Could Congress Mandate <u>(fill in the blank).<br><br></u>The answer is yes. (And you can enter whatever you want, your craziest notion..<u>)<br></u>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Feb 2011 at 1:13pm<br /><br /><p>The answer is yes and in fact there's nothing that they couldn't control but still IMO a thought provoking article.</p><p><a href="http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhill/index.php/home/35-politicsinvesting/2413-if-obamacare-is-valid-could-c&#111;ngress-mandate-aborti&#111;n" target="_blank">If ObamaCare Is Valid, Could Congress Mandate Abortion?</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Feb 2011 at 4:50am<br /><br />When they tied insurance to your job it really messed stuff up. Another example of unintended results.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Feb 2011 at 4:33am<br /><br />It's a real challenge...just trying to figure out the bronze, silver or gold options. I think it means they get the gold, we get none. LOL<br><br>Actually...it's reality hitting ya smack in the face. If you're healthy or rarely use health care...the cheapest plan is the best. Or...no plan at all.&nbsp; But if you routinely wind up with significant medical bills...the most expensive plan actually saves money.&nbsp; But it just doesn't seem that way to the person having the deductions taken out of their paycheck.&nbsp; As my honey has observed...it's like working just for insurance.&nbsp; It's an expensive world.&nbsp; (If you remember, when they were talking about shutting down and giving folks an option for Cobra...it would have cost $1600 a month...that's what her employer says it costs total, employee and employer costs combined. If it costs that much, that means her employer has been putting in about 11 or 12 hundred a month; $300 a week.&nbsp; Too bad they don't just put that extra in the paycheck....and let us find our own health insurance.)<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Feb 2011 at 4:06am<br /><br />I've read some real horror stories about premium increases.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Feb 2011 at 6:44pm<br /><br />We (my sweetie actually) just had to fill out paperwork tonight for where she works. I don't know how much is due to a new owner and how much to Obamacare...but wow! Near as we can figure...it's going to cost somewhere between two and three times as much as it did.&nbsp; (And nothing is written in stone...due to Obamacare changes that are constantly being received from the Federal government. Of course...they didn't use the term "Obamacare"...but same thing.)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Feb 2011 at 6:20pm<br /><br /><p>Not that big of a deal.</p><p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/08/us-usa-c&#111;ngress-healthcare-idUSTRE7175I120110208" target="_blank">House seen blocking healthcare funds</a></p><p>But mostly it just always makes me marvel at the wisdom of the founders to require that spending start in the house. Now if we hadn't gone and changed to the direct election of Senators it would really, really work.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Feb 2011 at 6:39am<br /><br />Good luck with that. (Yeah...I'm a cynic. Power, once obtain, is difficult to give up. Here...or in Egypt.)<br><br>There was a story a few days ago that I only scanned a few paragraphs.&nbsp; It was about some of these "green" companies. The wonderful things they are doing.&nbsp; Only one little problem...everyone was losing money...except for government subsidies (taxpayer dollars)...they'd be out of business.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Feb 2011 at 6:21am<br /><br /><p>Good observations here:</p><p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/judge_vins&#111;n_also_smacks_down.html" target="_blank">Judge Vinson Also Smacks Down Crony Capitalists</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Feb 2011 at 5:35am<br /><br />I really like his comparison to "tea" issues that precipitated the Revolutionary War....and our government today not just taxing tea...but mandating that everybody has to buy it.&nbsp; <br><br>A little aside...but connected: The upheaval in Egypt.&nbsp; There were some specific Obama remarks last Friday or Saturday that was in the big city Sunday newspaper. Can't remember the exact quote. But he was really praising the right of the different parties to demonstrate...to have freedom of speech....to oppose a dictatorial government. (Stuff along that line.) <br><br>And I thought...yeah...he supports freedom from government...as long as it's not ours. And as long as it's something called the "Muslim Brotherhood" and not the "Tea Party".&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Feb 2011 at 4:59am<br /><br />The commerce clause has been the source of more power consolidation than anything. Truly stretched to the limit.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Feb 2011 at 8:15pm<br /><br />Something that Obama can't sweep under the rug...which Don mentioned. (Maybe a little more detail here...)<br><a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/federal-judge-cites-quotes-president-rul" target="_blank">Obama to DeGeneres on Why He Opposed Individual Mandate: Forcing Uninsured to Buy Insurance Is Like Forcing Homeless to Buy Homes | CNSnews.com</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Feb 2011 at 6:49pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The problem with this (government commerce clause) legal rationale, however, is it would essentially have unlimited application. There is quite literally no decision that, in the natural course of events, does not have an economic impact of some sort. The decisions of whether and when (or not) to buy a house, a car, a television, a dinner, or even a morning cup of coffee also have a financial impact that --- when aggregated with similar economic decisions --- affect the price of that particular product or service and have a substantial effect on interstate commerce. <u>To be sure, it is not difficult to identify an economic decision that has a cumulatively substantial effect on interstate commerce; rather, <b>the difficult task is to find a decision that does not</b>.</u></td></tr></table><br><br>Also interesting...that even a proponent of Obamacare admits that when the "commerce clause" was written...that "commerce" meant "trade".&nbsp;&nbsp; To regulate the "trade" of goods between foreign nations, states and the Indian Nations.&nbsp; Absolutely nothing about regulating jobs, businesses, or the manufacturing of those goods. (Or of <b>not </b>manufacturing.)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Feb 2011 at 6:43pm<br /><br />I like that fellow. Thoughtful. And I bet the left hates him. <br><br>Interesting...."starting in 1937..."&nbsp; Something else to thank FDR for.<br><br>And those comments about women. Shoot...it's been hours since I read it and can't remember the details. But I remember the governments logic...stretching the logic...in support of that "violence against women" legislation under the "commerce clause".&nbsp; If women were too scared to work, or travel...that would negatively affect commerce....&nbsp; (Words to that affect.&nbsp; I just can't believe how they twist and corrupt stuff.)<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Feb 2011 at 5:11am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/47905955/Vins&#111;n-opini&#111;n" target="_blank">Entire opinion here</a>.</p><p>Dry in places but some good reading.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Feb 2011 at 3:47am<br /><br />Ah...no dope....they probably just have been eating too much salt.&nbsp; I see that's next on the government's hit list.&nbsp; Actually some of this stuff doesn't bother me.&nbsp; What bother's me the most is electing one person president...and wind up with a co-president who needs something to do. Bah.&nbsp; Fire the maid, cook and butler in the White House...and that might keep Mrs. iPOTUS busy instead of meddling with the nations food supply.<br><br>Ref one of your links...about shifting billions to pay for those with no insurance. The more I think of that...the more it bothers me.&nbsp; They don't mind shift trillions around, but what next to use an an excuse?&nbsp; And instead of addressing those with no insurance...let's punish everybody.&nbsp; (It sounds like the border security and immigration policy; avoidance.)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Feb 2011 at 3:32am<br /><br /><p>"So who the heck says...?"</p><p>The people who get the really good dope.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Jan 2011 at 5:57pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Don Watkins</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Attorneys for the administration had argued that the states did not have standing to challenge the law.</td></tr></table><br>I think that's the part that miffs me the most. If states don't have standing who does?<br></td></tr></table><br><br>It seems I've heard that a lot from the Obama administration and liberals.&nbsp; And yep...that really gets me fired up. Big time.<br><br>(I really liked that about a government not only Taxing the Tea...but requiring everybody to buy it!!)<br><br>(Man...we need a bunch more like that fellow....)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Jan 2011 at 5:53pm<br /><br />Before I forget...so why doesn't illegal immigrants fit under the same category? Don't they <br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The judge’s decision contradicts decades of Supreme Court precedent that support the considered judgment of the democratically elected branches of government that the Act’s 'individual responsibility' provision is necessary to prevent billions of dollars of cost-shifting every year by individuals without insurance who cannot pay for the health care they obtain."</td></tr></table><br><br>A. So who the heck says decades of Supreme Court precedent is right?!!! Roe v Wade...the so called separation of Church and State...and before that...slavery....sure as heck wasn't correct.<br><br>and B. Yeah doofus...let's get into the "...billions of dollars of cost-shifting every year ..." by illegal immigrants,&nbsp; social programs, and a host of other government clap-trap.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Jan 2011 at 5:38pm<br /><br /><p>Another quote from the judge:</p><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">"It is difficult to imagine that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place. "</td></tr></table><br>I LIKE this judge. Where'd they find one with a brain?<br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Jan 2011 at 5:35pm<br /><br /><p>Noted in the footnotes of the Judge's decision:</p><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house.</td></tr></table><br>Now there is an idea!&nbsp;<br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Jan 2011 at 5:33pm<br /><br /><p></p><p><a href="http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0111/judge_who_ce021717-9e5e-401a-af22-960f01b86926.html" target="_blank">W.H. charges 'activism' in ruling</a></p><p>If I was gonna smoke something whacky I'd sure want some of what they're smokin'.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Jan 2011 at 5:17pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Attorneys for the administration had argued that the states did not have standing to challenge the law.</td></tr></table><br>I think that's the part that miffs me the most. If states don't have standing who does?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Jan 2011 at 4:31pm<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110131/ap_&#111;n_bi_ge/us_health_overhaul" target="_blank">Fla. judge strikes down Obama health care overhaul - Yahoo! News</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jan 2011 at 8:32pm<br /><br />I guess they hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jan 2011 at 5:42pm<br /><br />How can they be a duly elected politician and not know how to read and comprehend?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jan 2011 at 5:05pm<br /><br />This is maybe scarier than justifying Obamacare under the commerce clause. It's a right under the "pursuit of happiness" and the 14th Amendment "equal protection":<br><br><a href="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rep-john-lewis-cites-pursuit-of-happiness-as-justificati&#111;n-for-health-care-mandate/" target="_blank">Rep. John Lewis Cites ‘Pursuit of Happiness’ as Justification for Health Care Mandate | The Blaze</a><br><br>How in the blazes can someone be a professional politician, get elected, and understand nothing about the Declaration of Independence, Constitution or our history.&nbsp; <br><br>and<br><br><a href="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rep-sheila-jacks&#111;n-lee-repealing-obamacare-would-be-unc&#111;nstituti&#111;nal/" target="_blank">Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee: Repealing ObamaCare Would Be ‘Unconstitutional’ | The Blaze</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jan 2011 at 7:23pm<br /><br />More wacko conspiracy theories:<br><br><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hhs-paying-google-taxpayer-m&#111;ney-alter-obamacare-search-results_525959.html" target="_blank">HHS is Paying Google with Taxpayer Money to Alter 'Obamacare' Search Results | The Weekly Standard</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Dec 2010 at 5:47am<br /><br />"Security"?&nbsp; That, in one form or another, is what I keep thinking about.<br><br>It would be nice to move or build. Partly personal preferences. Partly needed major repairs to basement walls. The vehicles are old and poor mileage.&nbsp; And so forth.&nbsp; But...neither one of us is going to be working 12 hour days anymore....not without spending the overtime on doctor related bills anyhow. HeeHee<br><br>Even if we were able and willing to work hard and extra...or a second job...neither one of us have much faith in the economy.&nbsp; I sure wouldn't take out a new mortgage now like we did in our mid-thirties.&nbsp; Heck...we don't want to take out any payments on anything right now (aside from college expenses if needed.)<br><br>Even if the economy was booming and optimistic for the long-run....I don't trust our government anymore not to suck everything they can out of our paychecks (either directly or indirectly).&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Dec 2010 at 5:27am<br /><br />The more I think about it the more I think the biggest issue is that politicians have inflated us out of any kind of security to pay off the debt they've run up over the last 50 years.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Dec 2010 at 5:22am<br /><br />Sigh.<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/31/medicare-taxes-w&#111;nt-cover-youll-cost/" target="_blank">Your Medicare taxes won't cover what you'll cost - FoxNews.com</a><br><br>Too old we get smart...or some saying like that.&nbsp; Sometimes I think, if I'd been smart I'd have put away 10-percent or so towards old age when I started my first job. But then I think...I have been putting away since day one...but it's just a mandatory government Ponzi scheme. Rock..hard place....<br><br><br>Not only do I feel that Washington D.C. is "out of touch with America", so is the MSM and these experts.&nbsp; Or maybe we just are not "average" and don't even know any "average" people.<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Consider an average-wage, two-earner couple together earning $89,000 a year</td></tr></table><br><br>We've never come close to this "average-wage two-earner" figure.&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Dec 2010 at 3:44am<br /><br />Sowell has noticed that also:<br><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2010/12/28/political_end_runs/page/full/" target="_blank">Political End Runs - Thomas Sowell </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Dec 2010 at 6:01pm<br /><br />Yup. And what did we discuss a short while back....<table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">...the Obama administration has been able to achieve its policy goal through the regulation-writing process, a strategy that could become more prevalent in the next two years...</td></tr></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Dec 2010 at 4:43pm<br /><br /><p>What shocked me most was the headline and where it appeared, it's not like no one saw this coming.</p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/us/politics/26death.html?_r=2" target="_blank">Obama Returns to End-of-Life Plan That Caused Stir</a></p><p>Drop it from legislation and then include it by regulation.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Dec 2010 at 4:16pm<br /><br />Great article!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Dec 2010 at 3:10pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.csm&#111;nitor.com/Business/Mises-Ec&#111;nomics-Blog/2010/1216/NYT-got-it-wr&#111;ng-&#111;n-the-health-care-big-picture" target="_blank">NYT got it wrong on the health care big picture - CSMonitor.com</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Dec 2010 at 3:38am<br /><br />One thing that puzzles me...these reports keep repeating that it was a very narrow ruling. It has left the rest of Obamacare intact.&nbsp; If the foundation is unconstitutional...how can any part of it be "intact"?<br><br>And one thing that angers me "tax"..."penalty"....who care what they call it.&nbsp; A tax by any other name is still the government taking our money.<br><br>Some more interesting things the judge said:<br><a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washingt&#111;n/2010/12/ken-cuccinelli-obamacare-guns-federal-judge.html" target="_blank">What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun? How'd you feel about that? | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Dec 2010 at 4:33am<br /><br /><p>Good write up in the WJS.</p><p><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703727804576017672495623838.html?mod=WSJ_Opini&#111;n_LEADTop" target="_blank">ObamaCare Loses in Court</a></p><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The core issue is whether the federal government can order individuals to do anything the political class decides it wants them to do.</td></tr></table><br>Yup, but bears repeating a couple of times.<br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Dec 2010 at 4:34pm<br /><br />Yep, us 1 - Gvment 2 so far.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Dec 2010 at 2:42pm<br /><br />It means there is at least one sane judge in the U.S. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Dec 2010 at 1:51pm<br /><br />Great news, at least it's a start.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Dec 2010 at 1:24pm<br /><br />An interesting...maybe...development:<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/13/federal-judge-rules-favor-virginia-challenge-health-care-law/" target="_blank">Federal Judge Rules in Favor of Virginia's Central Challenge to Health Care Law - </a><br><br>It's probably a moot decision...as we all know it will wind up in the Supreme Court. But...I really didn't expect any court to rule it unconstitutional.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Dec 2010 at 9:15pm<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101211/ap_&#111;n_he_me/us_health_care_costs" target="_blank">After expanding coverage, Mass. looks to cut costs - Yahoo! News</a><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Monthly premiums for individuals in Massachusetts have increased dramatically in the past decade. From 2001 to 2009, the median monthly premium for individual health plans soared by 76 percent, from $251 to $442.</td></tr></table><br><br>Places of employment better pay a lot more in Mass. than they do around here. Well---I suppose if I went without eating I could make those premiums. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Dec 2010 at 3:04pm<br /><br />Hehe, they're certainly running up a huge tab for them to pick up so I guess that's fair...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Dec 2010 at 3:02pm<br /><br />Isn't all the liberals do "for the chillin".]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Dec 2010 at 10:29am<br /><br /><p>It's for the chillin.</p><p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2010/12/09/obamacare-kills-discount-drug-deals-to-childrens-hospitals/" target="_blank">ObamaCare kills discount drug deals to childrens hospitals</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Dec 2010 at 1:58am<br /><br />HeeHee That's the kind of stuff I think of when wide awake since 2 a.m.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Dec 2010 at 1:58am<br /><br />Just a thought: <br>&nbsp;Interstate commerce would be hurt by individual consumers cutting back and not buying anything....thus the government ordering consumers to buy goods and services would be a lawful exercise of Congress' Commerce Clause power. <br>&nbsp;(Did the judge say that? Yes he did...you just have to read between the idiot lines.)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Nov 2010 at 8:13pm<br /><br />I must admit...I lost count of how many times I&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-&#111;nline.com/discus/clipart/barf.gif" border="0" alt="Barf" title="Barf" />while reading this judges comments and justifications, like:<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Further, interstate commerce would be hurt by large employers failing to offer adequate healthcare coverage, thus "the employer coverage provision is a lawful exercise of Congress' Commerce Clause power," said (Judge) Moon</td></tr></table><br><br>My word....there's nothing, absolutely nothing, that they can not regulate under reasoning like that.&nbsp; It's just as perverted as the "public good" reasoning for their Eminent Domain thievery.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Nov 2010 at 10:47am<br /><br />ROFLOL!&nbsp; I can just imagine.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Nov 2010 at 5:50am<br /><br />This isn't Obamacare...predates that, but it is coming changes:<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101113/ap_&#111;n_he_me/us_medicare_cuts" target="_blank">Doctors brace for possible big Medicare pay cuts - Yahoo! News</a><br><br>I know her (the doctor's) feeling well:<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">But she's getting closer and closer to the breaking point with Medicare.<br><br>"Stick me with a fork," said Wagner. "I'm done."</td></tr></table><br><br>Now excuse me while I go clean up the mess in my chair.&nbsp; I've got headphones on, listening to country morning oldies show <a href="http://www.wmdh.com/article.asp?id=533471" target="_blank">http://www.wmdh.com/article.asp?id=533471</a><br>And my honey finally got up, came in and tapped me on my shoulder. It's a wonder the laptop didn't stick in the ceiling tiles....<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Nov 2010 at 6:30pm<br /><br /><p>AARP should be prosecuted under RICO.</p><p>And if not they shouldn't be tax exempt.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Nov 2010 at 5:35pm<br /><br />Ironic, isn't it. Or....perhaps poetic justice is more correct?<br><br><a href="http://nati&#111;n.foxnews.com/health-care/2010/11/05/obamacare-spurs-aarp-raise-premiums" target="_blank">Obamacare Spurs AARP to Raise Premiums - Health Care</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Nov 2010 at 4:35am<br /><br />Why isn't everything "free"?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Oct 2010 at 4:41pm<br /><br />More insane...more surprises from Pandora's Box?&nbsp; Contraception..."preventative medicine"..."free".<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101031/ap_&#111;n_he_me/us_birth_c&#111;ntrol" target="_blank">Contraception could be free under health care law - Yahoo! News</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Oct 2010 at 3:49pm<br /><br />Insane.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Oct 2010 at 2:48pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/hhs-giving-states-milli&#111;ns-taxpayer-doll" target="_blank">HHS Giving States Millions of Taxpayer Dollars to ‘Help Consumers File Complaints’ Against Their Health Plans | CNSnews.com</a><br><br>The list doesn't doesn't include Indiana. Not sure why...whether by design or accident.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Oct 2010 at 6:13am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://m&#111;ney.cnn.com/2010/10/20/pf/rising_health_care_costs.m&#111;neymag/" target="_blank">Cost of your health plan to rise 14%</a></p><p align="center"><strong><font size="6"><br></font></strong></p><p align="center"><strong><font size="6">It's Bush's fault!</font></strong></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Oct 2010 at 6:23pm<br /><br />Sure glad I don't use one of these accounts. Can you imagine...needing a doctor's prescription just to buy a bottle of Tylenol!<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/15/new-health-care-rules-require-doctors-note-pay-otc-drugs-fsas/" target="_blank"> New Rules Coming for Payments Out of Health Savings Accounts</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Oct 2010 at 5:12am<br /><br />Had not thought of that.&nbsp; That's a very good point.<br><br>Let's "hope" he brought a "change" in that respect.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="middle" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Oct 2010 at 1:29am<br /><br />It'll get to the SCOTUS and then I wonder how impartial the judges can be for being scolded at the State of the Union? They are, after all, human.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Oct 2010 at 6:39pm<br /><br />Some scary stuff (logic) in there. Oy...how they justify doing...well...whatever they feel like doing.<br><br>Gee....have to prove financial harm in order to file? Why?&nbsp; It's Unconstitutional. It's wrong. That's enough!!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Oct 2010 at 11:04am<br /><br /><p>I've read the entire Steeh decision (PDF available <a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/public/resources/&#100;ocuments/100710thomasmoreruling.pdf" target="_blank">here</a> and there are some legal points he raises but wow, mostly it's just a mish mash of lefty talking points and never, ever addresses the constitutional issue.</p><p>Just stunning.</p><p><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Oct 2010 at 7:59pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/health_costs_to_oar_PxrH0QkqmGiS0rP4SIbKWJ" target="_blank">Health costs to $oar - NYPOST.com</a><br><br>An average of 30 percent in NY State. They have some figures at the end of the story. Ouch. Though it doesn't say if that is just the employee portion or employee/employer.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Sep 2010 at 7:33pm<br /><br />Designed to fail...in order to succeed.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Sep 2010 at 12:41pm<br /><br />The ratio of those that pay into the system to those that take from the system is pretty darned close now and once those that take outnumber those that pay we reach what is fondly known to the Global Warmist as <U>The Tipping Point</U> and there is no going back.&nbsp; Bonafide change of system of government.&nbsp; Much to the glee of the Progressives. And the campaign promise of Change is fulfilled!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Sep 2010 at 11:46am<br /><br />The original goal of the radicals was <U>universal health care</U> and this is the back door way to achieve that.&nbsp; All covered under the protective wing of the Federal Govt..&nbsp; Just another step to&nbsp;lure those most likely to be lured to complete dependency upon the govt..&nbsp; Socialism .... first steps.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Sep 2010 at 11:09am<br /><br /><p>Oh geeze, the hits just keep on a comin'.</p><p><a href="http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_16199735?source=rss" target="_blank">Aetna to drop small groups in Colorado</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Sep 2010 at 8:26am<br /><br />I would pretty much expect to see the same from most, if not all, non-union companies in the near future. My best guess is that Walmart will be next but it might be that they don't think they can take the PR hit.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Sep 2010 at 8:24am<br /><br />They might not be that smart but I think they are that devious and I believe that was the intent all along.&nbsp; If McDonald's can't operate that way then who could? ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Sep 2010 at 7:14am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/health/la-fi-mcd&#111;nalds-20100930,0,2664885.story" target="_blank">McDonald's says it may drop healthcare benefits</a></p><p>And so it starts. </p><p>I doubt if they're this smart but I wondered if this isn't what they had in mind; kill private insurance by making it impossible and driving everyone to government insurance?</p><p>McD's won't be the last.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Sep 2010 at 3:26am<br /><br />"...it's something you pay for."&nbsp; Some people.&nbsp; In my rant about our county hospital, I could have shortened it considerable just by saying....15-20 percent of patients are causing the deficit problems. Those who think it's a "right" and are self-pay (i.e., no-pay). &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 9:27pm<br /><br />What hacks me off is that he said "people in this state who look at health care as a privilege, not a right."&nbsp; No, it's him and his ilk that are the privileged.&nbsp; They don't have Obamacare.&nbsp; They don't have the peasant insurance.&nbsp; Not to mention the fact it's not a privilege to have insurance, it's something you pay for.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 4:17pm<br /><br />That aunt really burns me.&nbsp; Not just her notions of a "free America"...but the fact that she's still in the country.&nbsp; What a sorry excuse.&nbsp; And then of course...why isn't our iPOTUS practicing what he preaches and taking care of a blood relative?&nbsp; Isn't that what he preaches!&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 4:07pm<br /><br /><p>I'd expect that about 30-40% of all Americans and the likes of the President's Aunt feel that same way as that fella.</p><p>He's a dufus and I'm ashamed that so many of our fellows are as well but then that's what 80 years of socialism gets ya.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 4:03pm<br /><br />No problem there actually. My language gets rather...uh....salty (Army-ish)...depending on whom I talking with.<br><br>My slow burn is more with the idea it's OK to cuss out or look down upon folks who hold a different point of view than these elitists:&nbsp; <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Redfern said during his remarks he was lamenting "people in this state who look at health care as a privilege, not a right."</td></tr></table>&nbsp; Somehow I'm betting a whole lot of folks in Ohio are really ticked at him for calling them what he did.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 3:40pm<br /><br /><p>From the looks of that fellow I'm guessing he was just trying to "man up" for the union guys.</p><p>And he <a href="http://www.ohiodems.org/about/Chris_Redfern.jpg" target="_blank">looks like</a> someone that could use a little manning up.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 3:35pm<br /><br />Got a slow burn going here...<br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/22/ohio-democrat-curses-voters-oppose-health-care-law/" target="_blank"> Ohio Democrat Curses Voters Who Oppose Health Care Law</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 3:33pm<br /><br />Correct, they'll still be covered under family plans and yes, a policy that only covers a kid. Parents would wait until the kid got sick and then get the policy.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 2:34pm<br /><br />Child only plans....a policy that just covers a kid?? (I didn't see it explained...might have missed it.)<br><br>And I guess...if the child (children) will still be covered under a family plan (pre-existing conditions included)...I guess I don't see what the difference is??<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 8:24am<br /><br />Opps, should point out that the 3.3% is for 2009 and the 4.8% at the link is as of 9/20/2010.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 8:07am<br /><br /><p>The profit margin for insurance companies is 3.3%. Of course there could be a lot of leakage because of incompetence, abuse, etc. but still....</p><p>There's quite a revealing breakdown <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/p/sum_qpmd.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</p><p>The profit margin for food which is kinda sorta even more important than health care? 8.2%.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 7:56am<br /><br />I don't know a lot about the insurance business other than they are gougy and greedy at times but logic says that including coverage for the millions of uninsured and these protections against catastrophic happenings just can't be done without&nbsp;results like in your article.&nbsp; These things have to be paid for by someone .... and that someone is us, whether by taxes or premiums.&nbsp; This new law is going to have many unintended consequences I would guess.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2010 at 7:39am<br /><br /><p>The law of completely predictable consequences.</p><p><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/wp-dyn/c&#111;ntent/article/2010/09/20/AR2010092006682.html" target="_blank">Some insurers to halt new child-only policies</a></p><p>It sounds cold but a new child is born, has some terrible health issue that's going to cost a million a month to treat and regardless insurers are required to take them on at the same premium as a healthy kid with no cap on total payouts.</p><p>It'd drive them out of business in a month or premiums would rise for everyone to the point they would be unaffordable to anybody.</p><p><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2010 at 1:50pm<br /><br />Well...it seems they don't have a problem with the increases....but have a problem with the insurance companies telling consumers the increases are due to Obamacare.&nbsp; Spreading "misinformation" isn't allowed with this administration...unless it's Government approved and/or originated.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2010 at 6:32am<br /><br /><p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/09/20/senate-democrats-jump-&#111;n-health-insurance-increases/" target="_blank">Senate Democrats Jump on Health Insurance Increases</a></p><p>I see a recurring theme; some in government seem to think that, like the government, companies should be able to run with a loss.</p><p>We pay a lot here in Austin for the community hospitals that, among other things, provide free abortions. You may recall the budget woes of Austin link I posted a while back. I should add that there was no reduction in the amount allocated to the free "medical" procedures.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Sep 2010 at 7:47pm<br /><br />Oh...my interest in the story (aside from it being the local hospital)?&nbsp; One "solution is to have each township start paying to cover the losses.&nbsp; Sigh.<br><br>Ah...and some of our losses are from an adjoining county that revamped their billing system, e.g., cash, credit card....or hauled into court.&nbsp; So now a significant number come cross-county for "emergency" treatment.<br><br>Boy...it's a mess, isn't it (medical care in general).<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Sep 2010 at 7:44pm<br /><br />I bought a copy of our county seat's daily newspaper tonight. (They don't do online edition.)<br><br>Here I thought our County Hospital was doing well.&nbsp; They built a new one a few years ago.<br><br>Boy was I wrong. Their EMS department lost about 700 grand last year....but the ER's losses make that look good.<br><br>And the 75 year old director (50 years in the medical field)&nbsp; is saying...it's going to get a lot worse under Obamacare when it kicks in (2014?) and more folks are added to coverage.<br><br>I don't remember the exact amounts but according to the article...the percentages run pretty much the same at most of the counties around here: xx percentage is paid by Medicare, and xx percentage by private insurance.&nbsp; About 20-percent is "self-pay"...which according to the director, "self-pay in Indiana means "no-pay"...except for the Amish who pay their bills."<br><br>And most of the losses comes from that 20-percent "self-pay" group.&nbsp; Again from the director, the last couple of years (I wonder if that's a coincidence....the election of '08?)...have been especially bad as people think medical services are a right...that they shouldn't have to pay for.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Sep 2010 at 8:13pm<br /><br />Yep. The worst dog I've ever met is a thousand times better than the best politician! IMHO]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Sep 2010 at 7:37pm<br /><br />Poor old dogs.&nbsp; Those people are going to give dogs a bad name.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Sep 2010 at 3:57pm<br /><br />Sigh. Yes, you're right. And I feel really ashamed of myself. What was I thinking?!!&nbsp; I just insulted man's best friend.....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Sep 2010 at 3:45pm<br /><br />There you go, talking about them like they're dogs.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Sep 2010 at 3:39pm<br /><br />Oh you know...those bills are just like something the dog drug home...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Sep 2010 at 3:58am<br /><br /><p>I was just watching a replay of a news show from last night and they had a segment on the same thing and I swear nobody was in favor for the thing. </p><p>Or the stimulus or the bail out.</p><p>I'm now puzzled on how it got passed.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Sep 2010 at 3:55am<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/07/dems-campaign-obamacare-stay-mum/" target="_blank">FOXNews.com - Some Dems Campaign Against ObamaCare While Others Stay Mum</a><br><br>It's interesting...and reminded me of a town hall video that's been circulating.&nbsp; Some Sen. Coburn says he believes Obamacare was deliberately setup by the Democrats....to fail.&nbsp; (Young healthy folks will opt to pay the next-to-nothing fine rather than pay for the insurance...until or if they need it.&nbsp; So....it's designed as a financial failure so the liberals can say, "See...we said it wouldn't work having private options and the only way for it work is to have a singer payer government run system.") <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Sep 2010 at 7:44pm<br /><br />That's a deal.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Sep 2010 at 9:53pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Randy</strong></em><br /><br />heh...&nbsp; I'd rather dig ditches...</td></tr></table>&nbsp; Let's not...but say we did. <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Sep 2010 at 8:28pm<br /><br />heh...&nbsp; I'd rather dig ditches...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Sep 2010 at 2:36am<br /><br />We can all become professional students.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Aug 2010 at 7:57pm<br /><br />With a 68% tax bracket who's interested in working?&nbsp; You get 32 cents of every dollar earned .... that isn't much incentive. &nbsp;I'd be a perennial student too as long as someone was paying for it.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Aug 2010 at 7:36pm<br /><br />This isn't exactly about "health care" but is about "socialism"....same basic idea. LOL<br><br>I think I've mentioned before about a guy from Copenhagen who, maybe 15 years ago, was an exchange student with some old family friends of ours here in town.&nbsp; <br><br>He's paying another visit to them in a few weeks. (We're "right on the way" from the East Coast to the West Coast..ROFL.)&nbsp; He's on another vacation...and is just getting ready to start a two-year college to get some sort of accountant manger's degree.<br><br>Gee.&nbsp; The "government" pays the college expenses. <br><br><u>&nbsp;Actually...the "government" pays him to go to college..just like it was a job.<br></u><br>Our friends can't remember for sure...but thinks their ex-exchange student in Copenhagen pays either 58 or 68 percent in taxes.&nbsp; They think it's 68 percent.&nbsp; But heck...the "government" pays for darn near everything...so who needs much money.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Aug 2010 at 7:35am<br /><br />I know their logic...in fees of young vs old.&nbsp; (The old coots will get to pay for the young coots health care coverage...).<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Aug 2010 at 7:34am<br /><br />That's the general gist I got about "the plan" back when it was being proposed:&nbsp; Coverage for the young and healthy and turn the old fogies over to the board that decides whether you're worth keeping around any longer.&nbsp; My sis wouldn't still be around under those criteria.&nbsp; Possibly me also.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Aug 2010 at 5:34am<br /><br /><p>Older = more things to fix = more expensive = higher premiums.</p><p>As for pre-existing we looked at relocating to another state but because the feds won't allow insurance companies to operate across state lines (??) that was a big factor for us, we move to another state and all of a sudden we have some pre-existing conditions that aren't covered.</p><p>Of course we could go without insurance for a half year and take advantage of the wonderful new federal plan ....that would cost in one month what we pay in a quarter.</p><p>No thanks.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Aug 2010 at 5:27am<br /><br />Hmm... I'm not sure I understand their rates. Less for young and more for old.&nbsp; Seems it would be the other way around. (If younger...more years to live and need treatment. Older...you're going to be dead soon enough...)<br><br><img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" />&nbsp; Yep...I'm dead. <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">. After you have paid the deductible, you will pay 20% of covered medical costs in-network. The maximum you will pay out-of-pocket for covered services in a calendar year is $5,950 in-network/$7,000 out-of-network.</td></tr></table><br><br><br>Man...who doesn't have a pre-existing condition at our age? <br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Aug 2010 at 5:22am<br /><br />I'm reading links now. But it reminded me that I saw a headline a few days back that illegals cost Texas about $250 million a year.&nbsp; Not that much of a $12 or so billion shortfall...but still a hunk of change.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Aug 2010 at 5:08am<br /><br /><p>(Sorry, I've messed up the links so bad in the first message I've got no option but to do this again)</p><p>I'm so glad this is free. <br></p><br>The first, as far as I know, free government health plan has hit the streets. This is the federal program for states what done threw up their hands and said "you do this".<br><br>So how much does free cost?<br><br><a href="http://pciplan.com/applicants/states/AZ.html" target="_blank">Premium rates for Arizona</a>. Ouch, for me that'd be $688 a month if I lived in Az.<br><br>But that's gotta be like just amazing coverage, right? Yikes, a <a href="http://pciplan.com/applicants/benefits.html" target="_blank">$2.5k deductable?</a> Ouch.<br><br>Oh, nevermind, I couldn't do it, it's racist since I'd have to provide <a href="http://pciplan.com/applicants/apply.html" target="_blank">proof of citizenship.</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Aug 2010 at 8:24pm<br /><br /><h1><a href="http://www.bost&#111;nherald.com/news/regi&#111;nal/view/20100810man_without_health_care_sues_state_over_2g_fine/srvc=home&amp;positi&#111;n=0" target="_blank">Man without health care sues state (Mass.) over $2G fine</a></h1><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><br><p>Here in Massachusetts, which requires all residents to have health insurance, some working stiffs like Merlina fall through the cracks.</p><p>He’s not one of the 184,000 Massachusetts residents poor enough to qualify for the state’s mostly free health care. Nor is he lucky enough to work for a company that provides insurance.</td></tr></table></p><p><br></p><p>Yep...those cracks are really really big.<br></p>								<!--//Byline //-->													  					<span ="bold"></span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Aug 2010 at 2:35pm<br /><br />Interesting map. I'm not that familiar with Mo., as in how many "big cities" they have and I'm too lazy to look it up. But I notice that the only two places that voted for Obamacare was St. Louis and Kansas City.&nbsp; Me thinks the nation would be much better off with a lot few big cities. Must be something about large concentrations of folks in a small area that promotes dunderheads.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Aug 2010 at 5:22am<br /><br /><p>Yeow.</p><p><a href="http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_c847dc7c-564c-5c70-8d90-dfd25ae6de56.html" target="_blank">Prop C passes overwhelmingly</a></p><p>Missouri Prop C. Yes vote to reject Obamacare.</p><p><a href="http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrmaps/20100803/ballot_Issue_map.asp?eid=283&amp;oTypeID=20&amp;Wednesday,%20August%2004,%202010" target="_blank">Yes votes: 71.1%</a> (667,680).</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Aug 2010 at 8:05pm<br /><br />I was going to say that words can not express my thoughts. But they can. Sadly as an assistant/honorary moderator...I'd have to ban myself for life!!<br><br>Which reminds me:<br><br>If you lined up the Obama Administration and all their supporters "ear to ear"...know what you'd have?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>The world's largest wind tunnel! <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Aug 2010 at 6:52pm<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pcnet-&#111;nline.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif" height="17" width="34" border="0" alt="Censored" title="Censored" />&nbsp;x 10!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Aug 2010 at 4:18pm<br /><br />Yup^2.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Aug 2010 at 4:11pm<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif" border="0" alt="Censored" title="Censored" /> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif" border="0" alt="Censored" title="Censored" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Aug 2010 at 4:10pm<br /><br />The video is well worth the watching. Smart gal...good points. <br><br>Her basic argument is that "health care is now a right, rather than a privilege.&nbsp; Therefore we now have a "right" to compel others to provide those services to us or to pay for them.&nbsp; How can this be constitutional when it seems in direct conflict with the 13th Amendment which abolished slavery?<br><br>The 13th Amendment abolishes slavery and/or involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.<br><br>There was a challenge to the draft in 1917 as "involuntary servitude", but the Supreme Court rejected it based on the authority to "raise and support armies".<br><br>However, as a WSJ article points out,, there is no similar provision empowering Congress to raise and support clinics".<br><br>More from the WSJ article:<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The woman's second argument, though, is much stronger: "If this legislation is constitutional, what limitations are there on the federal government's ability to tell us how to run our private lives?"<br><br>Stark's answer is stark: "I think that there are very few constitutional limits that prevent the federal government from rules that would affect your private life."<br><br>She replies: "The Constitution specifically enumerates certain powers to the federal government and leaves . . . all other authority to the states . . . or the people. . . . If they can do this, what can't they do? . . . Is your answer that they can do anything?"<br><br>Stark answers: "The federal government, yes, can do most anything in this country."</td></tr></table><br><br><a href="http://weaselzippers.us/2010/08/02/ca-dem-rep-pete-stark-tells-town-hall-%E2%80%9Cthe-federal-government-can-do-most-anything-in-this-country%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-video/" target="_blank">Weasel Zippers » Blog Archive » CA Dem Rep. Pete Stark Tells Town Hall Meeting: “The Federal Government Can Do Most Anything in this Country” – Video</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Jul 2010 at 6:49pm<br /><br />The Dems will still be in charge in November.&nbsp; Gotta give 'em time to install the new ones.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Jul 2010 at 6:38pm<br /><br />This November would be better....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Jul 2010 at 5:47pm<br /><br />... or after this November.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Jul 2010 at 2:51pm<br /><br />Maybe we will be doing that in 50 or 60 years....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Jul 2010 at 2:32pm<br /><br /><p>This ain't gonna be pretty.</p><p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/26/britains-nhs-to-decentralize-cut-services/" target="_blank">Britain’s NHS to “decentralize,” cut services</a></p><p>Death throes of socialized medicine in England and it's going to be very painful for them to extract themselves from the mess they've made.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Jul 2010 at 9:27am<br /><br /><p>Speaking (elsewhere) of the constitution...</p><p><a href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/195661.php" target="_blank">Michigan Challenge To Health Law Begins</a></p><p>This is the only way it will be stopped short of Congress defunding it and once started....</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Jul 2010 at 4:39pm<br /><br />Just in case I need to find it again. A video about the time that members of Congress say they were discriminated against (racial epitaphs) when right around the time of the health care bill vote.<br><br><a href="http://www.breitbart.tv/rep-andre-cars&#111;n-finally-addresses-phantom-n-word-story/" target="_blank">http://www.breitbart.tv/rep-andre-carson-finally-addresses-phantom-n-word-story/</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jul 2010 at 6:35pm<br /><br />It gets them what they want.&nbsp; We're merely playing pieces on the game board to them.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jul 2010 at 2:08pm<br /><br />Peter Pan and The Lost Boys syndrome perhaps??]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jul 2010 at 1:49pm<br /><br /><p>Isn't it always different this time?</p><p>I swear I don't know how some people survived childhood but then, as Randy pointed out, they do know full well what they're doing. Maybe it's because they just like doing it to us?</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jul 2010 at 1:42pm<br /><br />Very good points Randy.&nbsp; Very good indeed.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jul 2010 at 1:41pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Don Watkins</strong></em><br /><br /><p>Good article about two train wrecks.</p><p>Funny how these things are predictable. They know it, we know it and they do it anyway.</p></td></tr></table><br><br>But...it'll be different this time.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jul 2010 at 6:11am<br /><br />I think you're right.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jul 2010 at 5:45am<br /><br />I now believe they don't care if things wrecks.&nbsp; Kind of like the liberal concept of child rearing, give the kids all they want to keep them happy.&nbsp; (But in reality they just want to shut their kids up.)&nbsp; So they they say "This is what the voters wanted, so here you go voters!&nbsp; Just keep voting for me because I give you what you want!"<br><br>I just have a hard time understanding that these people truly want to just personally benefit from their situations and just don't care what happens to the people in this country or the country as a whole.&nbsp; That's the only thing that explains supporting teachers unions, labor unions, "global warming" legislation, implementing socialist ideas, etc.<br><br>I used to blame it on their having such a lack of understanding of math and such a limited ability to understand issues with any complexity that they just couldn't see it.&nbsp; No longer.&nbsp; They are amoral to the core and value nothing on principle, unless you can call greed for status, money and power a principle.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jul 2010 at 4:46am<br /><br /><p>Good article about two train wrecks.</p><p>Funny how these things are predictable. They know it, we know it and they do it anyway.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Jul 2010 at 5:52pm<br /><br />While reading one story at the Washington Post, saw this one dealing with health care:<br><br><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/wp-dyn/c&#111;ntent/article/2010/07/18/AR2010071802733.html" target="_blank">Robert J. Samuelson - As Massachusetts health 'reform' goes, so could go Obamacare</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Jul 2010 at 2:01pm<br /><br />Obamacare: <a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz071310dAPR20100713034545.jpg" target="_blank">Bad news...good news.</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Jul 2010 at 8:41pm<br /><br />Gee...a lingering painful terminal illness...or a quick death...decisions...decisions....decisions....<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Jul 2010 at 2:08pm<br /><br /><p>Hope and change, hope and change.</p><p>Yeah, we hope that changes aren't going to kill us.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Jul 2010 at 1:20pm<br /><br />Oops...another part of the train just rolled by....<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100702/ap_&#111;n_bi_ge/us_med_er_crowding" target="_blank">Health overhaul may mean longer ER waits, crowding -</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Jul 2010 at 9:07am<br /><br /><P><a href="http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/106887-health-law-risks-turning-away-sick" target="_blank">Health law risks turning away sick</a></P><P>Who didn't see that coming?</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Jun 2010 at 12:59pm<br /><br />Somewhere I read that it was all the Republicans fault. Now in this story (a liberal MSM)...it seems that Pelosi is the one who squashed the deal....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Jun 2010 at 4:45am<br /><br /><P><a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/06/medicare-havoc-is-here-50-milli&#111;n-medicare-claims-get-trimmed.html" target="_blank">Medicare Havoc is Here - 50 Million Medicare Claims Get Trimmed</a></P><P>Brave new world.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jun 2010 at 5:01pm<br /><br />Can't be a tax...the iPOTUS said...no tax increases on us ordinary folks.<br><br>Just because they have the IRS handling it doesn't make it a tax...just a collector.<br><br>Legally and technically I suppose it makes a difference how they define it. Functionally though...whoopie...more money out of people's pockets no matter what they call it.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jun 2010 at 3:45pm<br /><br /><P>Facts are pesky things.</P><P><a href="http://spectator.org/blog/2010/06/17/obama-admin-argues-in-court-th" target="_blank">Obama Admin. Argues in Court That Individual Mandate Is a Tax</A></P><P>Later edit. I wasn't sure and didn't want to trust my memory but the health care bill originated in the Senate. All tax bills have to originate in the house.</P><P>Doggone facts.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jun 2010 at 12:50pm<br /><br />Oh now....I'm sure Obamacare will be just as wonderful as all the other government ran programs....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jun 2010 at 10:00am<br /><br /><P>First there was this.</P><P><a href="http://blog.billlawrence&#111;nline.com/2010/06/17/half-to-lose-insurance-under-ocare.aspx" target="_blank">Half To Lose Insurance Under OCare</a></P><P>Didn't know how much veracity that one had so I did some search and found this.</P><P><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704198004575310773636609374.html?mod=WSJ_Opini&#111;n_BelowLEFTSec&#111;nd" target="_blank">The Bad News About ObamaCare Keeps Piling Up</a></P><P>Again, this is opinion, not a news column but I looked around and found a lot and the first link seems to be on the low side of estimates, most of the others I saw claimed as many as 70% will lose coverage.</P><P>One of the few times I've felt good about buying my own.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Jun 2010 at 6:32pm<br /><br />Can't raise pay, all the money done been spent.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Jun 2010 at 1:30pm<br /><br />Now I am confused. I'd swear that cutting costs to overpaid hospitals, doctors and such was a cornerstone of Obamacare.&nbsp; And now...<br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/12/obama-c&#111;ngress-raise-doctors-medicare-pay/" target="_blank">Obama: Congress Must Raise Doctors' Medicare Pay</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Jun 2010 at 2:33pm<br /><br />Another peek through the window into the future?<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100531/hl_nm/us_health;_ylt=ApHuFtoIxOSeNFYHycDqoxsDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTJmcDhpcHNxBGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMTAwNTMxL3VzX2hlYWx0aARwb3MDMTQEc2VjA3luX2FydGljbGVfc3VtbWFyeV9saXN0BHNsawNzb2FyaW5nY29zdHM-" target="_blank">Soaring costs force Canada to reassess health model - Yahoo! News</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 May 2010 at 9:51pm<br /><br />Well said.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 May 2010 at 8:45pm<br /><br />For every action there is an equal and opposing reaction.&nbsp; Isaac Newton]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 May 2010 at 7:57pm<br /><br />Government run health destruction.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 May 2010 at 7:53pm<br /><br />Just thought this was interesting. <br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100529/hl_afp/denmarkgreecefinanceec&#111;nomyhealthcompanynordisk" target="_blank">Danish company pulls diabetes drugs from Greece over price cut </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 May 2010 at 6:08pm<br /><br />At an audience of the Asian American and Pacific Islanders Summit, Nancy Pelosi said that aspiring artists should feel comfortable being creative, because the new healthcare legislation will help support their lifestyles:<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said this week that thanks to the new health-care reform law musicians and other creative types could quit their jobs and focus on developing their talents because the taxpayers would fund their health care coverage.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “We see it as an entrepreneurial bill,” Pelosi said, “a bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care.”<br><br>(Hmmm....no wonder she said we couldn't tell what was in it until after it was passed.&nbsp; I wonder if this means I can run away from home, join the circus and have health care?)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 May 2010 at 8:41am<br /><br />LOL!&nbsp; Wait, I am shocked!...<br><br>... that it is being written up as if this is something newly discovered.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 May 2010 at 3:20pm<br /><br />Gee. The vast numbers of folks trying to post that they were "surprised" must have overwhelmed and crashed your server...as I don't see any replies. HeeHee<br><br>Indiana seems surprised. Actually....P.O.'d is more accurate. Just read a newspaper headline while waiting in line at the gas station tonight.&nbsp; Obamacare is expected to add $3.9 billion over the next 10 years to the Indiana budget.&nbsp; That's for stuff required by the Federal Government in the health care bill...but that the state has to pay for.&nbsp; (I guess if Indiana raises taxes to pay for it...Obama will have kept his "will not raises taxes" pledge...since it will be the State and not Fed.)<br><br>Sucker.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 May 2010 at 6:20am<br /><br /><P>Okay, anyone who is surprised let me know.</P><P><a href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/188579.php" target="_blank">CBO Raises Cost Estimate For Health Law, Sparking Political Reaction</a></P><P>Anyone? Anyone?</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 May 2010 at 6:55pm<br /><br />Did he answer? Sort of. I urged him to take a stand and vote against it.&nbsp; His answer was that bit about an unacceptable status quo vs an imperfect solution...and being able to change it later.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 May 2010 at 2:55pm<br /><br /><P>Who'd of thunk it?</P><P><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/05/cbo-doc-fix-will-cost-more-than-any&#111;ne-thought/" target="_blank">CBO: Doc fix will cost more than anyone thought</a></P><P>Gambling going on here? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.</P><P>Round up the usual suspects.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 May 2010 at 5:08am<br /><br />Did it even answer your question? I get form replies back that don't even make sense in context of the question I asked.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 May 2010 at 2:46am<br /><br />I feel so special (sic)...I got an email from Sen. Evan Bayh.&nbsp; Yeah...right...boilerplate.&nbsp; It had been so long since I sent him a message via his website that I'd forgotten about it. It was before the Obamacare vote.<br><br>Lots of "thanks", stuff about how nasty D.C. has become, and how it was a choice between an "unacceptable status quo" and a "less than perfect solution".&nbsp; Boy...."less than perfect"...what a description...(but we can make changes ya know).&nbsp; <br><br>The most telling thing about the email?&nbsp; The return address: "<u>no-reply</u>@".&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 May 2010 at 6:06pm<br /><br />A little more...I'm posting fast in case we lose our connection (high winds and thunderstorms moving through the area...)<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The same Congress that wants to tell family farmers what to grow in their backyards has declined "to keep regular" the commercial sale of insurance policies. It has permitted all 50 states to erect the type of barriers that the Commerce Clause was written precisely to tear down. Insurers are barred from selling policies to people in another state.<br><br>That's right: Congress refuses to keep commerce regular when the commercial activity is the sale of insurance, but claims it can regulate the removal of a person's appendix because that constitutes interstate commerce.</td></tr></table><br><br>Edit Note:&nbsp; Oops. I'd intended for the above to be with the first I'd posted tonight...but got in a hurry to get done and get windows shut.&nbsp; I was excited reading the info at the link...it's the first time I've read an explanation of what the heck the Commerce Clause meant..<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 May 2010 at 6:05pm<br /><br />Worth the read IMHO:<br><br><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203917304574412793406386548.html" target="_blank">Andrew Napolitano: Health-Care Reform and the Constitution - WSJ.com</a><br><br>An explanation of what the Commerce Clause meant to James Madison and folks a few hundred years ago...to keep commerce "regular" between states. (So states would not raise tariffs against each other, et al.)<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">a notoriously tendentious New Deal-era Supreme Court decision has given Congress a green light to use the Commerce Clause to regulate noncommercial, and even purely local, private behavior. In Wickard v. Filburn (1942), the Supreme Court held that a farmer who grew wheat just for the consumption of his own family violated federal agricultural guidelines enacted pursuant to the Commerce Clause. Though the wheat did not move across state lines—indeed, it never left his farm—the Court held that if other similarly situated farmers were permitted to do the same it, might have an aggregate effect on interstate commerce.</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Apr 2010 at 8:50pm<br /><br />Wow...what a surprise. Not the news...but it's a report from a MSM:<br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100423/ap_&#111;n_bi_ge/us_health_care_law_costs" target="_blank">Report: Health overhaul will increase nation's tab</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Apr 2010 at 4:20pm<br /><br />Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it's method more than the size of the stopper.&nbsp; This fellows method seemed to work pretty well: Vlad III the Impaler, Prince of Wallachia<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Apr 2010 at 4:01pm<br /><br />In regards to capping politicians...there's no stopper big enough.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Apr 2010 at 3:50pm<br /><br />Yep. Look what government (and other) regulation has done for Detroit!&nbsp; (And is doing for Hugo's country...)<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">“Water and power are essential for life,” Mrs. Feinstein said. “So they are heavily regulated, and rate increases must be approved. Health insurance is also vital for life. It too should be strictly regulated so that people can afford this basic need.”</td></tr></table>&nbsp; Heck...what isn't "essential" any more?&nbsp; Gee...vehicles are in the U.S.&nbsp; Heck...a phone is darn near "essential".&nbsp; Whoa....what about "food"...shouldn't they regulate grocery prices?&nbsp;&nbsp; And how about....gasoline?<br><br>What they (we) should regulate and cap are politicians!!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Apr 2010 at 7:28am<br /><br />Aarrggh - more regulation = a lot more bureaucracy ... for one thing.&nbsp; I liked the simile about the "tightening the lid on a pressure cooker while the heat is being turned up".&nbsp; ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Apr 2010 at 5:37am<br /><br /><P>Because regulating prices has always worked out so well in the past.</P><P><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/21/health/policy/21health.html" target="_blank">Senate Bill Sets a Plan to Regulate Premiums</a></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Apr 2010 at 7:50pm<br /><br />Good read.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Apr 2010 at 7:18pm<br /><br />Read this today while waiting at the dentists office...in the printed version of the mag.&nbsp; A good read IMHO...a more personal view of health care:<br><a href="http://www.worldmag.com/articles/16612" target="_blank"> 'I'll just do my job' | Joel Belz | Apr 24, 10</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Apr 2010 at 12:51pm<br /><br />What next I wonder.&nbsp; Oh....I know...oh never mind...everything I thought of is protected under freedom of expression, speech or weirdness by the ACLU and the Liberal Constitution. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Apr 2010 at 8:19am<br /><br /><P>Ah, Waxman was busy with other, more important snuff, uh, stuff.</P><P><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5086308" target="_blank">Congress looks at baseball tobacco use</a></P><P>Waxman is a charter member of the bonehead hall of shame.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Apr 2010 at 7:58pm<br /><br />Veeeery interesting...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Apr 2010 at 3:59pm<br /><br /><P>Ah, April 15th....</P><P>Guess Waxman got cold feet when somebody told him that the CEOs weren't lying.</P><P><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;nexaminer.com/opini&#111;n/blogs/beltway-c&#111;nfidential/Waxman-cancels-health-care-CEO-hearing-90853384.html" target="_blank">Waxman cancels Obamacare CEO hearing</a></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Apr 2010 at 2:18pm<br /><br />Chuckle. Guess I'd never heard <a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/bg0414j20100414061452.jpg" target="_blank">this daffynition</a> for the IRS before.&nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Apr 2010 at 5:04am<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Apr 2010 at 3:31am<br /><br />I'm afraid that only 27% of Americans are able to do that, while the other 90% have limited or no percent ability. (Percent values may not exactly equal 100% as facts and figures were provided by Congress and computed by the Congressional Budget Office. HeeHee)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Apr 2010 at 8:38pm<br /><br />The vast majority of Americans need to learn what "percent" means and how to do calculations involving it.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Apr 2010 at 6:34pm<br /><br />HeeHee&nbsp; Another funny...but true.<br><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sk0408j20100408022615.jpg" target="_blank">http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sk0408j20100408022615.jpg</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Apr 2010 at 6:38pm<br /><br />True indeed!&nbsp; Good comparison.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Apr 2010 at 2:51pm<br /><br />Iceberg!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Apr 2010 at 5:51am<br /><br />Those sure are some kinda foul smelling eggs to have found.&nbsp; Bet we'll get more surprises later.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Apr 2010 at 5:17am<br /><br /><P><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;nexaminer.com/opini&#111;n/columns/Five-things-we-learned-about-Obamacare-after-it-passed-90029262.html" target="_blank">Five things we learned about Obamacare after it passed</a></P><P>Just ducky.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Apr 2010 at 6:32pm<br /><br />Good on the doctor.&nbsp; Might have a good impact.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Apr 2010 at 6:17pm<br /><br />Don't know if you all have seen this or not:<br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/florida-doctor-stands-anti-obamacare-sign-despite-threat-complaint/?test=latestnews" target="_blank"> Florida Doctor Stands By Anti-'Obamacare' Sign Despite Threat of Complaint</a><br><br>I figured it would blow over, as the doc said he wasn't really going to turn anybody away...but just wanted to make a point. But then that Rep. Grayson(?) twit jumped in on him.<br><br>So now apparently they (liberals) want to add another item to the "sex, age, race, religious beliefs, etc"&nbsp; law....."political beliefs".&nbsp; Gee. Can't pick your enemies or your friends anymore.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Apr 2010 at 7:16am<br /><br />Interesting. The Amish history.<br><br><a href="http://www.amishnews.com/amisharticles/amishss.htm" target="_blank">The Amish &amp; Social Security</a><br><br>Short story...in 1961 the IRS seized three of six horses for an Amish man who hadn't paid his social security taxes.&nbsp; Of course...they don't use it.<br><br>This morning's big city paper has a update/explanation. And makes me wonder if folks (us English) in general used to be more self-sufficient. (As in taking care of themselves and others without <u>demanding</u> as a right....outside help.)<br><br><a href="http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100404/NEWS03/304049878/1002/LOCAL" target="_blank">Amish Hoosiers exempt from health law </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2010 at 1:11pm<br /><br /><P>Karl was spot on re: the Amish.</P><P><a href="http://articles.lancaster&#111;nline.com/local/4/250426" target="_blank">Amish unaffected by new health law</a></P><P>..or maybe not if it's an Amish owned business.</P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2010 at 7:27am<br /><br />As hard to capture, so I've heard, as a Snipe!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2010 at 6:44am<br /><br />His district looks a lot like that critter Gerrymander.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2010 at 5:16am<br /><br /><P>Re: the congressional district.</P><P>Yup, that makes a lot of sense.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2010 at 5:15am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Don Watkins</strong></em><br /><br />Clearly the congressman is a&nbsp; bonehead.</td></tr></table><br><br>Just had one of those flash "thoughts" that just popped through the mass of half-dead caffeine starved brain cells: We probably would not have had a Declaration of Independence if the people alive today had been alive back then. <br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our fortunes and our sacred Honor."</td></tr></table><br><br>For one...they wouldn't have been able to have called upon, or even mentioned, "divine Providence".<br><br>And who would have they found, except for a few right-wing extremists, to pledge their lives, fortunes or sacred Honor?&nbsp; Especially "honor"...such an old fashioned concept. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2010 at 5:07am<br /><br />They are smart. Obama &amp; Friends.&nbsp; They are counting of folks "getting" and not caring about anything else. <br><br>&nbsp;Just like with us...once dependents have turned 18 unless they are in college full time, they are off the family policy.&nbsp; We (the wage earners) sweated bullets the year our youngun took off between high school and starting college. So...extended coverage till age 26 might draw a lot of folks into supporting Obamacare.&nbsp; <br><br>Just an observation. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2010 at 4:55am<br /><br />Don't know if this link will work. I went to his webpage and there was a link to the 17th District...Google maps. And I thought we had strangely shaped districts in Indiana:<br><a href="http://hare.house.gov/index.cfm?secti&#111;nid=318&amp;secti&#111;ntree=3,318" target="_blank">http://hare.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=318&amp;sectiontree=3,318</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Apr 2010 at 3:03am<br /><br />Clearly the congressman is a  bonehead.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2010 at 10:43pm<br /><br />Compassionate irresponsibility .... or something like that.&nbsp; Jerks, steamroll the constituition to get some touchy-feely bill passed regardless. He probably represents East St. Louis, or the Chicago south side.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2010 at 10:35pm<br /><br />The congressman in the previous link makes reference to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as justification for Obamacare.<br><br>I've heard that several times before...Pelosi being the last I remember.&nbsp; Gee...if the liberals use that line of logic...what can not be justified? (Of course, I think they have to disregard the "liberty" part...<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2010 at 10:31pm<br /><br />Wow. Doesn't care about the Constitution. Or maybe it's the Declaration of Independence (whichever...he doesn't know or care about that either).<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/02/democratic-lawmaker-d&#111;nt-worry-c&#111;nstituti&#111;n-health-care-overhaul/" target="_blank"> Congressman: 'I Don’t Worry About the Constitution' on Health Care Overhaul</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Apr 2010 at 11:16am<br /><br /><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/ca0402d20100331011008.jpg" target="_blank">We've reached the mountain top</a>...<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Climb, climb up sunshine mountain<br>Heavenly breezes blow;<br>Climb, climb up sunshine mountain<br>Faces all aglow.<br>Turn, turn from sin and doubting,<br>Look to Obama above,<br>Climb, climb up sunshine mountain<br>You and I.<br></td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Apr 2010 at 3:59pm<br /><br /><P>Here ya go.</P><P><a href="http://www.bost&#111;n.com/business/ticker/2010/04/mass_rejects_re.html" target="_blank">Mass. rejects proposed health care premiums hikes</a></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Three of the four largest nonprofit health insurance carriers posted operating losses in 2009 due to job cuts at businesses that buy health insurance, increased use of medical services by employees fearful of losing benefits, and the slumping value of investments.</td></tr></table><BR>Okay, the insurance companies are paying out more than they're taking in and the state isn't going to allow them to raise rates.<BR></P><P>Makes sense to me, let them eat air.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2010 at 8:33pm<br /><br />Hm. This covers more than just "health care"...but the Demoncrats crying about threats and the Hitler-like right wing extremists makes this a good place to post the link.&nbsp; Some reminders that the "far right" isn't that far out.<br><br><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/PatBuchanan/2010/03/30/the_real_anti-americans?page=full&amp;comments=true" target="_blank">Pat Buchanan : The Real Anti-Americans</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2010 at 7:16pm<br /><br />Then they <u>all</u> need to go.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2010 at 3:43pm<br /><br />And so it starts....<br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/31/gop-wary-health-law-repeal-push-fall/" target="_blank">GOP Sees Risks in Push to Repeal Health Law</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2010 at 11:41am<br /><br /><P>Ah, okay, now I think I understand the hit that some companies have announced and what's changed from this article.</P><P><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;nexaminer.com/opini&#111;n/blogs/beltway-c&#111;nfidential/the-obamacare-tax-hike-that-loses-five-times-what-it-brings-in-89602137.html" target="_blank">The ObamaCare tax hike that loses five times what it brings in</a></P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Mar 2010 at 3:23am<br /><br />Maybe. If we had real judges instead of activists.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2010 at 10:03pm<br /><br />Maybe the court action will slow it down enough to so it can be repealed.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2010 at 8:02pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/30/medical-society-files-lawsuit-block-health-care-overhaul/cerns/" target="_blank"> Medical Society Files Lawsuit to Block Health Care Overhaul</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2010 at 7:32pm<br /><br />Aren't some exempt...like Amish. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2010 at 4:15pm<br /><br />Another interesting angle is Christian Scientists. Wonder what they're going to do?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2010 at 4:07pm<br /><br />HeeHee&nbsp; Yep.<br><br>There's only one thing (major thing) in the article that troubles me.&nbsp; The liberty and freedom to decide to take a chance on not needing medical care...and therefore having the right to not pay for any health insurance.<br><br>The only problem with that is that if something does happen...the same person who refuses to pay for insurance...will be the first when disaster strikes to demand treatment. And how many people would refuse to do emergency medical treatment...just because the person refused to pay for insurance? (That seems to be the line nobody is willing to cross...emergency treatment...regardless of the circumstances leading up to it.)<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2010 at 3:43pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Carson is a bonehead..</td></tr></table><BR>Sweet! ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2010 at 3:17pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-36883-Indianapolis-C&#111;nservative-Examiner~y2010m3d30-Indiana-joins-legal-challenge-of-democrats-health-care-bill" target="_blank">Indiana joins legal challenge of democrats’ health care bill</a><br><br>I kind of enjoyed this article. Rather a personal touch.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2010 at 2:53pm<br /><br />Oy...I'm going to have to think about that. Not sure if I want to read it.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br><br>In the meantime...I sure hope after all this kicks in I don't get stung again where I wind up having to take another EMS ambulance ride. I figure if the yellowjackets don't do me in...the new EMS drivers will scare me to death:&nbsp; <a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/lb0330cd20100329024648.jpg" target="_blank">Be afraid</a><br><br>Another cartoon. But not so funny.&nbsp; It's what we've been saying once the government is responsible for paying the bills...they will start to call the shots. Heck...they already are:<br><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sk0330j20100330012919.jpg" target="_blank">Responsible insured Americans</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2010 at 6:38am<br /><br /><P>Opps.</P><P><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-19660-Fiscal-Resp&#111;nsibility-Examiner~y2010m3d26-C&#111;ngressi&#111;nal-Budget-Office-has-new-numbers" target="_blank">Congressional Budget Office has new numbers</a></P><P>Suprise, suprise.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Mar 2010 at 3:03am<br /><br />HeeHee&nbsp; I was wishing last night I could vote in more than one district.&nbsp; Neither is. That Mike Pence is ours.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Mar 2010 at 9:29pm<br /><br />Remember that in November if either of&nbsp;those sleazes are Reps. of your district.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Mar 2010 at 8:47pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/29/pro-life-democrats-switched-vote-health-request-billi&#111;ns-earmarks/" target="_blank"> Pro-Life Democrats Who Switched Vote for Health Bill Request Billions in Earmarks</a><br><br>I see that two of these sorry suckers are from Indiana. Shame shame on them!!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Mar 2010 at 4:47pm<br /><br />The below is from a liberal MSM story...not an extremist right wing like Fox. LOL<br><br>Hmm. A new Ponzi scheme perhaps?&nbsp; The young "Yes we can" chanters may not like this.&nbsp; Though some reader's comments say it's less a percentage increase than they are currently experiencing...it's the "young to carry more" that grabbed my attention.&nbsp; Lots of healthy young folks who don't use medical services to pay for the sick and old folks. Yep yep. Have more kids!! Lots of kids!! Wheee.....<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Health insurance premiums for young adults are expected to rise about 17 percent once they're required to buy insurance four years from now. That estimate is from an analysis by Rand Health.<br><br><u><i>Young people will need to carry more of the burden of health care under the new health overhaul law. The new law limits an industry practice of charging older customers more.</i></u><br><br>Even so, the pluses could outweigh the minuses. Some 2 million people under age 26 should qualify for coverage under their parents' health plans. And Medicaid expansion will insure 9 million more young adults.</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Mar 2010 at 2:04pm<br /><br />Thanks. <br><br>That video of Stupak that I posted earlier...him at a citizens meeting in his home district and he's telling them at the end of the day he'll vote "for" the Health Care bill....<br><br>I originally said it was a few weeks ago.&nbsp; I was wrong.&nbsp; It was somewhere between 6 and 9 months ago that he was secretly recorded.&nbsp; <br>Just in case anybody wants it: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ5o-JHNdU8&amp;feature=related" target="_blank">youtube link</a><br><br>Bull. This is why we are in so much trouble.<br><br>"Isn't this how our country works?"&nbsp; (They propose an amendment that says "no funds for abortion" but the majority votes against it.&nbsp; He's had his say. He's tried. He's was able to vote his conscious.&nbsp; So...he'd&nbsp; vote for a health care bill that included funds for abortion if that was the only thing he didn't like about it.)<br><br>I know&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif" border="0" alt="Censored" title="Censored" /> when I smells it!! <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 11:39pm<br /><br />I wish you the best outcome when the end of April does come around.&nbsp; That is disturbing to be put off that long for something that might be very important.&nbsp; ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 5:50pm<br /><br />Well....death, taxes and politicians....<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100328/ap_&#111;n_he_me/us_med_healthbeat_primary_care" target="_blank">Better beat the crowd and find a doctor.</a><br><br>And that's from a MSM write up. Great.&nbsp; Our family doc already is looking tired and old and overworked.&nbsp; (HeeHee...I guess he is actually.)&nbsp; Not to mention other specialists in the area, many, are in short supply.&nbsp; My checkup scans a couple of weeks ago could have been better...at least I thought I was doing better. But they say not since my last heart ultra-sound in '06.&nbsp; But....can't get in to the heart specialist till the end of April. Sigh.&nbsp; Well, on the bright side...that might be six months faster than what it will be after Obamacare kicks in.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 12:14pm<br /><br />Politicians. Always dependable to sell out.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 12:07pm<br /><br />The way I read it none (or almost none) of those Democrat holdouts were for principle but for material gain.&nbsp; Give 'em a goodie and you got the vote.&nbsp; Understood by all.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 11:04am<br /><br />Yeah, he was in the tank off the gitgo.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 9:51am<br /><br /><a href="http://www.chr&#111;n.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6928797.html" target="_blank">Kathleen Parker: From Stupak, a pretense masquerading as virtue&nbsp; -&nbsp; Houston Chronicle</a><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">After the Sunday vote, a group of Democrats, including Stupak, gathered in a pub to celebrate. In a biblical moment, New York Rep. Anthony Weiner was spotted planting a big kiss on Stupak's cheek.<br><br>To a Catholic man well-versed in the Gospel, this is not a comforting gesture.</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 9:32am<br /><br />Taxes.&nbsp; Love it.&nbsp; I'd say everybody tightens their belt in tough times, but that may not be true.&nbsp; Folks working everyday, paying taxes, trying to balance their budget...yes.&nbsp; <br><br>But those who have gotten used to government handouts to make up the difference, or living on credit and such...not necessarily so.<br><br>And certainly not governments...at any level.&nbsp; They're going to raise taxes and fees on those who are making less but are still producing and able to contribute through income or sales taxes.<br><br>I hope the last man still standing and paying taxes remembers to turn out the light when he also runs out of money....<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 9:27am<br /><br />From what I understand from many writers, pro and con, Obama's big push on getting it passed "now" was so the "good" stuff would kick long enough before the November elections. People would get a "taste" (like "drugs") and say, "ain't Obama and the Democrats wonderful.&nbsp; And they'd gain millions of new voters. (And, as far as I understand, that is the same prediction and reasoning to push for immigration reform fast and hard' we'll see.)<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 8:29am<br /><br />Well....I don't get it either. Unless the plan is total control of the industry. No...total control of everything.&nbsp; Prices. Wages. Construction. Everything....including determining the number of health care workers needed...and drafting people into those positions.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 8:09am<br /><br /><P>Obamacare, the gift that keeps on giving, uh, taking.</P><P><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/us/28taxes.html" target="_blank">States Seek to Tax Services, From Head to Toe</a></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 7:16am<br /><br /><P>I don't get it:</P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">“It’s going to provide a peace of mind that many Americans who really want or need health insurance will always be able to get a quality product at a reasonable price regardless of their health or financial situation.”</td></tr></table><BR>Firstly I don't see how this does that and secondly I'm more concerned about getting health care rather than getting health insurance. What good is insurance if it takes you a month to get a test or see a doctor?<BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 7:04am<br /><br />I haven't read all of this yet, but it's supposed to be a summary of the Obamacare changes that will take effect by September.&nbsp; (Before the fall elections.)\\<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/your-m&#111;ney/health-insurance/22c&#111;nsumer.html" target="_blank">For Consumers, Some Clarity on Health Care Changes - NYTimes.com</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 7:03am<br /><br />Several business sites commented about the subsidy/tax write off thing. Which I really don't understand how the government can give you the money for pay for something...and then you get to also claim it as a tax deduction.&nbsp; I don't get to do that.&nbsp; <br><br>I'd heard references to a NYT article admitting that Obamacare is about redistribution of wealth. So I found it. But the writer doesn't call it "redistribution"...it's called "inequity".<br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/business/24le&#111;nhardt.html?adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1269774651-fgdTL6B5yvSC3T861Irpig" target="_blank">Economic Scene - In Health Bill, Obama Attacks Wealth Inequality - NYTimes.com</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Mar 2010 at 6:53am<br /><br /><P><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-27/at-t-deere-ceos-called-by-waxman-to-back-up-health-bill-costs.html" target="_blank">AT&amp;T, Deere CEOs Called by Waxman to Back Up Health-Bill Costs</a></P><P>Haha, my first thought was that unlike Madoff (government) accounting real businesses have to follow accounting rules or they'll go to jail, something that Waxman wouldn't understand.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2010 at 10:43pm<br /><br /><a href="http://emac.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/03/26/c&#111;ngress-w&#111;n%e2%80%99t-eat-its-own-cooking/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogs%2Femac+%28Blogs+-+EMacs+Stock+Watch%29" target="_blank">Congress Won’t Eat its Own Cooking </a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2010 at 5:36am<br /><br />It's been decades since reading much about the revolution...in detail.&nbsp; But...whew...newspapers back then...the Federalist Papers(?), Common Sense, speeches....et al....they'd all be in jail as radicals under liberal and Homeland Insecurity rules. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2010 at 5:25am<br /><br />And that's pretty mild Jefferson. He said/wrote some pretty edgy stuff.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Mar 2010 at 5:20am<br /><br />All this stuff in the news with the Demoncrats receiving threats over health care bill.&nbsp; I'm sure you've seen this double standard of theirs.&nbsp; <br><br>Democrats have been blasting the opposition for "fanning the flames" with their rhetoric. Yep. Like this one:<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">“When a long train of abuses and usurpations . . . evinces a design to reduce (the people) under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security.”</td></tr></table><br><br>&nbsp;Beck?<br><br>&nbsp;Limbaugh?<br><br>Palin?<br><br>Nope.<br><br>Thomas Jefferson.<br>Declaration of Independence<br><br>I guess the Demoncrats would have only approved of a "polite revolution" back in '76.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2010 at 9:08pm<br /><br />HeeHee<br><a href="http://www.gocomics.com/bottomliners/2010/03/26/" target="_blank">Imagine</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2010 at 3:19pm<br /><br />I'd have to look for the story. Yesterday at a press conference Gibbs said it didn't mean squat (either Deere or Cat or both).&nbsp; Something about they have been "double dipping" for years and they are just fixing it.<br><br>Maybe I should find it.<br><br>Found it.&nbsp; Companies were getting a subsidy from the Federal Government for retiree drug plans.&nbsp; The companies were also permitted to deduct the subsidy from their taxes.&nbsp; <br><br>Now...that makes no sense to me??<br><br><a href="http://blogs.marketwatch.com/electi&#111;n/2010/03/26/is-health-law-already-hurting-business-maybe-maybe-not/" target="_blank">Is health law already hurting business? Maybe, maybe not. - MarketWatch 's Election Blog - MarketWatch</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2010 at 2:13pm<br /><br /><P>Marvelous.</P><P><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100326/ap_&#111;n_hi_te/us_tec_at_t_health_care_3" target="_blank">AT&amp;T will take $1B non-cash charge for health care</a></P><P>All these taxes (Cat, Deere, et al) are not only a huge drain on the economy (money that could otherwise be used to hire people) but by collecting them before this magilla gets started is really going to hide the true numbers for a while (not that they haven't been doing that already).</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2010 at 5:44am<br /><br />Good news in that story.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2010 at 4:31am<br /><br /><P>Don't get me wrong but this makes it almost worth it.</P><P>Well, not close, but it's a little comfort.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2010 at 3:50am<br /><br />What's good enough for everybody...isn't good enough for many who initiated and wrote health care reform.&nbsp; (Even if they change it...it doesn't matter. It's like some of these folks who are so sorry and promise to reform....<u>.after</u> their affairs with lovers are made public.)<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/c&#111;ngressi&#111;nal-staffers-complain-double-standard-health-care-law/" target="_blank">Congressional Staffers Complain About Double Standard in Health Care Law</a><br><br>What's the saying....it's great to be the emperor...and his best buds..<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2010 at 3:34am<br /><br />They also seem to have forgotten when they ridicule and mock the opposition...that they are doing the same to millions of voters who share the same ideas and concerns.&nbsp; (Actually both side seem to have developed a knack for doing this.)<br><br>But...me thinks this president doesn't care.&nbsp; He's playing to the crowd that supports his transformation and redistribution scheme.&nbsp; As long as he figures he makes them happy...everybody else can go to heck.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Mar 2010 at 3:18am<br /><br />Presidents have forgotten that they're president of all the people, including the people that disagree with them.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2010 at 8:47pm<br /><br />One thing I've noticed is how gracious the winners (of this battle) have been. Even the leftist-in-chief reaching out to mend fences with the opposition.&nbsp; Pooh!!&nbsp; <br><br>There's both text and video on this page from his Iowa visit. (To a college naturally. I'm really starting to detest colleges...)<br><br>The text of his remarks about "Armageddon" doesn't really do justice to his mocking tone:<br><br><a href="http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/obama-mocks-republican-armagedd&#111;n-rhetoric-video.php" target="_blank">Obama Mocks Republican 'Armageddon' Rhetoric, Confronts Heckler At Health Care Rally (VIDEO) | TPM LiveWire</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2010 at 3:48pm<br /><br />Khrushchev was right.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2010 at 3:44pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/fidel-castro-applauds-passage-obamas-health-care-overhaul/" target="_blank">FOXNews.com - Fidel Castro Applauds Passage of Obama's Health Care Overhaul</a><br><br>and<br><br><a href="http://c&#111;ntent.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/03/obama-to-pro-repeal-republicans-go-for-it/1" target="_blank">Obama to pro-repeal Republicans: 'Go for it' - The Oval: Tracking the Obama presidency</a><br><br>Yep. They think they have control now.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2010 at 3:37pm<br /><br /><P>Re: California I'd reckon that they think it's a good idea to take money from Texas residents and give it to California residents.</P><P>Interesting about McGovern, didn't know that.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2010 at 2:46pm<br /><br /><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/LarryElder/2010/03/25/hope_and_change__the_c&#111;nstituti&#111;n?page=full" target="_blank">Larry Elder : Hope and Change ... the Constitution - Townhall.com</a><br><br>The only thing I found really interesting is the following:<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern left the Senate after 18 years and bought a small business. It went under. He wrote: "(I) wish I had known more firsthand about the concerns and problems of American businesspeople while I was a U.S. senator and later a presidential nominee. ... Legislators and government regulators must more carefully consider the economic and management burdens we have been imposing on U.S. businesses. ... Many businesses ... simply can't pass such costs on to their customers and remain competitive or profitable."</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2010 at 2:44pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Don Watkins</strong></em><br /><br /><p>Take your pick...</p><p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cap25-2010mar25,0,3167359.column" target="_blank">California could take big hit from healthcare overhaul</a></p></td></tr></table><br><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">....for healthcare reform to succeed, states must either have the flexibility to live within the revenues that are available to them or the <b>federal resources to fully fund its mandates</b>."&#091;</td></tr></table><br><br>That is the California governor talking.&nbsp; Which I don't understand at all.&nbsp; Guess I'm too dumb.&nbsp; What's the difference who pays for it?&nbsp; "Federal resources"?&nbsp; What federal resources...unless they are just going to print more money.&nbsp; Otherwise...where do "federal resources" come from.? The States and Individuals.&nbsp; Seems like it's a shell game....pay the bills directly or pay them indirectly by sending the money to D.C. first.<br><br>&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2010 at 6:57am<br /><br /><P><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/03/25/2010-03-25_obama_to_biden_slips_no_big_deal.html" target="_blank">President Obama was not bothered by my f-bomb, Vice President Biden says</a></P><P>He doesn't mind because Biden is cheap unemployment insurance.</P><P>Low class.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2010 at 6:44am<br /><br /><P>Take your pick...</P><P><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cap25-2010mar25,0,3167359.column" target="_blank">California could take big hit from healthcare overhaul</a></P><P>This says it could cost between 2 and 3 billion annually. </P><P>Business as usual; nobody knows. Seems like cost should be a factor before you start any project, why is the government different? Oh, wait, rules don't apply when you have an unlimited supply of (other peoples) money.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2010 at 6:37am<br /><br /><P><a href="http://www.peoplesworld.org/health-care-victory/" target="_blank">Health care victory</A></P><P>Source: Commmunist Party U.S.A. newspaper.</P><P>Figures.</P><P>This is really worth a read, it'll clue you into what you really are.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2010 at 5:43am<br /><br /><P>It's gotta be about control, it ain't about saving money.</P><P><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5inenn4M4Kqs0Qe9HJQZDk8BNOYMwD9ELE0404" target="_blank">Retired couples may need $250k for health care</a></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Mar 2010 at 4:43pm<br /><br />OK...I listened to the "Christmas" video a couple more times. I was wrong (<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" />)&nbsp; He did say "you know"...but it's the same effect. It's still gonna be like Christmas and getting those free gifts from Uncle Sam. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Mar 2010 at 4:38pm<br /><br />Rep Dingle. (Yeah...dingle is right.) Video. When asked a question about Obamacare not kicking in, fully, till 2014:<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Let me remind you this &#091;Americans allegedly dying because of lack of universal health care&#093; has been going on for years. We are bringing it to a halt. The harsh fact of the matter is when you’re going to pass legislation that will cover 300 &#091;million&#093; American people in different ways <u>it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to<b> control the people</b>.</u></td></tr></table><br><br><a href="http://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-&#101;ventually-c&#111;ntrol-the-people/" target="_blank">http://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people/</a><br><br>This is stuff from conspiracy movies...but it's real life!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Mar 2010 at 8:44am<br /><br />That's him!&nbsp; That's the guy!&nbsp; That's the same&nbsp;mentality that voted in the present administration!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Mar 2010 at 4:13am<br /><br />From a video story on health care...an interview with an uninsured patient at a clinic:<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">"It's gonna be like Christmas, you know your first Christmas when you want that Barbie doll, so it's gonna be just like Christmas. I mean it's gonna be great, you know worries, you know the bills, we can go ahead and pay our co-pay and be all right."</td></tr></table><br><br>You betcha.&nbsp; Just like Christmas. Free stuff. <br><br>Note: I listed to the video. I'm not sure if the guy was saying, "..you know worries, you know the bills...", or if he was saying "...no worries, no bills..."&nbsp; It sounded like the later.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Mar 2010 at 3:48pm<br /><br />Especially after that video from a meeting with voters in his home district....yep yep yep.&nbsp; All show and blow to make it look good. And...just maybe...to throw off Republicans and uncommitted Democrats.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Mar 2010 at 3:38pm<br /><br /><P>He was looking for a fig leaf and a deal.</P><P><a href="http://www.nrcc.org/codered/dealwatch/?p=52" target="_blank">Obama Administration Awarded Hundreds of Thousands in Airport Grants to Stupak’s District Two Days Before Vote</a></P><P>He was in the tank from the gitgo IMO.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Mar 2010 at 3:03pm<br /><br />At least Obama got<a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sk0323j20100323020751.jpg" target="_blank"> his bipartisan vote</a>:<br><br>The more I've thought about it (which hasn't really been very much) the more I'm convinced that the Stupak stuff was no "11th hour" deal.&nbsp; Don't know if it was a Stupak stunt, or a joint effort...but I'm sure it was a well planned farce.&nbsp; <br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Mar 2010 at 12:36pm<br /><br /><P><a href="http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/article_9863d279-450d-5f0e-958e-1095a567dfca.html" target="_blank">(Indiana) Governor suspends HIP enrollment</a></P><P>In other news 13 states file a joint lawsuit 7 minutes after signing. It's my understanding that Texas Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott filed an independent suit as well (heard it on the radio, I might have misunderstood).</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Mar 2010 at 5:53am<br /><br />More expansion for the Feds., less jobs in the civilian area, and get less and charged more.&nbsp; Sounds about right .... or more and more typical.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Mar 2010 at 5:10am<br /><br /><P>Marvelous.</P><P><a href="http://alexander.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=WeeklyColumns&amp;C&#111;ntentRecord_id=6a6f731a-3eaf-44a0-a8ec-7cc94e32ae14&amp;C&#111;ntentType_id=90d236a2-e44f-45f0-92f3-b232873e486b&amp;Group_id=fed25a11-ebc2-4d73-b6b5-681ac6d72913&amp;M&#111;nthDisplay=3&amp;YearDisplay=2010" target="_blank">200,000-plus Tennessee Students to Be Overcharged on Student Loans – to Pay for Health Care</a></P><P>This is what those rioting kids in Cali (saw there were more yesterday) should be freaking out about.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Mar 2010 at 4:17am<br /><br />That's the thing. Can't recall where now but I saw a nifty chart that had the projections of various government programs and then the actual results. No way is this going to cost what they project and why that whole CBO dance is so silly. They just thrown numbers up they like, something that'd put any private company in jail. They don't come close to being what the reality is and then there's no repercussions when they turn out to be completely bogus.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Mar 2010 at 4:13am<br /><br />Just an interesting tidbit that I just read:<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">: "Medicare cost $3 billion in 1966. In what it called a conservative estimate, the House Ways and Means Committee that year projected Medicare would cost $12 billion after inflation by 1990. The actual cost in 1990: $107 billion."</td></tr></table><br><br>Sure hope they used different methods to project Obamacare costs...<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 5:31pm<br /><br />Another:<br><br><a href="http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/03/22/1868455/health-care-changes-to-come-quickly.html" target="_blank">Health care changes to come quickly in California - Local - fresnobee.com</a><br><br>Sounds like California is planning to suck it up.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 5:26pm<br /><br />Wow, good article but lots of twisty turns to follow in this mess.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 5:21pm<br /><br />This is one of them:<br><br><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/03/21/MN0L1CIJ56.DTL" target="_blank">California stands to gain most from health bill</a><br><br>I'd look more...but after all...it is California.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 5:21pm<br /><br /><P>Or like the girl in this story.</P><P><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704454004575135942557501242.html?mod=rss_Health" target="_blank">Steps You Can Take Ahead of Changes in Coverage, Taxes&#091;/url&#093;</P><P>&#091;quote"&#093;...her 12-year-old daughter, Taylor, a leukemia survivor, has already gone through more than $1 million of medical care in her life and is approaching a $1.5 million cap.</A></P><P>I don't know what you do about that, the little girl looks to be about 6 but that's a reason why rates go up.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 5:17pm<br /><br />And what's this with Pelosi and being born a woman a "pre-existing condition".&nbsp; She must have tripped every button in me last night.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 5:16pm<br /><br /><P>I would think that California would get hit pretty hard but that's just a guess.</P><P>I don't think any states are going to benefit from it.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 5:16pm<br /><br />I have no answers to health care. I can't call it "insurance" anymore. Insurance is something you have but hope to never use...like an auto wreck, house fire, and such.&nbsp; Health "insurance"...how many people don't need medical care at one time or another.&nbsp; We sure have.<br><br>I thought about that today at work...wondering if all the factory employees would want to split up the cost of the the gal who has cancer. (I think I mentioned her...cancer of lungs, brain and other places. Undergoing chemo and such...but...it's terminal.)&nbsp; Anyhow...everybody wants free or cheap healthcare.&nbsp;&nbsp; But would the 200 plant employees want to split up her $200,000 hospital bill evenly...a thousand a piece?&nbsp; Or maybe it is one of those really expensive treatment thingies that cost a couple of million bucks.&nbsp; I'm sure everybody would want to kick in $10,000 each to help pay for costs.<br><br>Sigh.&nbsp; Anyhow...that's my simple view of health care.&nbsp; Ya sure need a lot of healthy people who don't use it, but pay into it, to make it work.&nbsp; (Or sock it to the company owners, big wigs and rich folks....).<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 5:08pm<br /><br />Sure seems to be covered by a wide variety of sources (wellpoint increases).<br><br>One other thing I've ran into several different stories is....which state stands to benefit the most from Obamacare?&nbsp; California.&nbsp; Coincidence perhaps....that Pelosi is from there....?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 4:57pm<br /><br /><P>Insurance companies have pretty much squeezed out a 5% profit margin for the last decade, they pretty much just pass along what the costs of the pool are after they factor out any investment profits.</P><P>Hard to say for sure, Wellpoint could be gouging but most likely 1) the 39% is bogus, probably one subscriber had a rate increase that large, most were probably smaller. 2). Investment returns have been pathetic the last 18 months. They are limited in what they can invest in and short term t-bills have been returning 0% (yes, that's zero). When the pool is underfunded the only option is to increase rates to cover the expenses of the pool. 3) There are a lot more tests being run these days. I read somewhere that MRIs were up 89% in the last three years. Don't want to pay more? Stop getting medical tests.</P><P>But of course stopping medical tests is crazy, doctors order them for a reason but they aren't free.</P><P>And finally there is a, one presumes, competent California insurance board that reviews rate requests and makes sure that they are justified.</P><P>I'd be careful of the Wellpoint story, I expect that the press might have gotten it wrong. I know they never have before, but there's always a first time.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 4:55pm<br /><br />Just two quick comments:<br><br>Wonder why there was and is so little in the news about the Democrats who voted "no". Seems the only news coverage was concentrated on the Stupack(sp?) Democrats.<br><br>And something else that upset me last night (besides Pelosi) was, naturally, the Democrats chanting. They talking about showing respect in the House...and how upset they were over disrespect to the President while he was speaking.&nbsp; How about when Boehner was giving his speech and said "No you can't" and the Democrats started up with that "Yes we can!" chanting. That just burned my buns!! Yep...they'd follow Gantry anywhere I'm sure.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 3:57pm<br /><br />I read.<br><br>But, I'm like Bob right now...got a sick sad feeling.&nbsp; Not just health care...for our country...and a lot of anger(?) for liberals, politicians and especially liberal politicians.&nbsp; <br><br>I haven't felt like this since Carter was president.&nbsp; It was an embarrassing time IMHO. And this president and congress makes the Carter years look like the Good Old Days.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 3:46pm<br /><br />I haven't read your links yet. But will. I'm drying out (not alcohol...though it sounds like a good idea...but from cold cold rain...one of the times it would be nice to have a dog who would take himself outside and back in again...LOL)<br><br>Sometimes though it's hard to feel sympathy for some of the players in the field. Like the banks who paid, and continue to pay themselves big bonuses even while failing.&nbsp; They bring a lot of the bad feelings of the public on themselves.&nbsp; Or the credit card companies who seem hell bent on coming up with new fees and such in order to beat Congress's credit card fix.&nbsp; I'm not saying Congress is right....but the credit card companies reactions seem so self destructive.<br><br>What does that have to do with health care you wonder?&nbsp; Sorry...it ties in. Something I heard a TV commentator say last night after the vote was in.&nbsp; His statement was that Obama and the health care advocates were re-energized by one particular event that gave them new purpose and determination to do whatever it took to pass the bill.&nbsp; And that was "a little known insurance company":<br>Anthem Blue Cross and parent company Wellpoint (Indianapolis) and their almost 40% raise in premiums for 800,000 Californians in mid or late February. <br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">It isn't just California citizens who are affected by soaring health insurance premiums. Premiums are slated to go up as much as 20 percent or more in Connecticut, Maine and Oregon. Live in Michigan? Insurance premiums have been rising as much as 56 percent.&nbsp;</td></tr></table><br><br>OK...I don't know the details. Justified increases?&nbsp; Profit margin and all that stuff....no idea.&nbsp; But I do know stupid when I see it.&nbsp; Either these insurance companies have a death-wish, and secretly wanted Obamacare to pass....or they are just plain stupid. (Or believe hiring a PR firm was a waste of money.)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 11:24am<br /><br /><P>A very interesting article that really goes far beyond health care and is a good lesson in all things but since it focuses on that I'll put it here.</P><P><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/supply-and-demand-reviewing-the-unbreakable-theory-that-shall-doom-obamacare-in-short-order/" target="_blank">Supply and Demand: Reviewing the Unbreakable Theory That Shall Doom ObamaCare In Short Order</a></P><P>I should add that I don't agree that this fact of life will doom it, it'll just be the Way Things Are and DC won't be willing/won't be able to backtrack.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 7:59am<br /><br /><P>Yup and it just keeps getting better. It's been under the radar because of "reform" but I've been following Corker's attempt to fix the financial reform bill that'd be in front of congress in a week or two and he got rolled big time.</P><P>I'm thinking that since I can get a new liver for free the bet bet might be to start drinking heavily (only kidding).</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 7:50am<br /><br />Nothing much to say here ... just a kind of sick sad feeling.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 6:33am<br /><br /><P>Might be the best round up I've seen yet this morning, worth a read.</P><P><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703775504575136133814210008.html" target="_blank">Inside the Pelosi Sausage Factory</a></P><P>Whew, that's some wheeling and dealing. Makes Bernie Madoff look like a piker.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 6:27am<br /><br /><P>Sigh. I guess I'd be more upset if I hadn't suspected off the gitgo that the fix was in. No way were they going to replay the hit that Clinton took when his "reform" got shot down.</P><P>I guess that goes to show how much politicians have changed just since then.</P><P>I also wonder if it's moot because we're so far in debt that it's just not possible for us to climb out?</P><P>I will also observe that red China has won. No country that is as in debt as we are, with no prospects of getting out of it, can be a superpower. If China wanted to really ruin us they could do so without firing a shot and were we not such an outlet for them they would.</P><P>Bottom line congress seems to have started thinking the US is too big to fail.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Mar 2010 at 5:19am<br /><br /><P>In addition as I read it the IRS will now start sharing financial data with at least HHS.</P><P>The stock market sure doesn't like it. I figured it was baked in.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 11:15pm<br /><br />Oh...the first I'd heard of this till tonight...that the IRS will administer the program...oversight...count the money...make sure everybody is paying in, paying the right amount, it's going to whom it should.&nbsp; Of course it will need another 16 to 17 thousand employees to do the job. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 11:07pm<br /><br /><a href="http://video.foxnews.com/v/4118193/democrats-j&#111;nestown-moment" target="_blank">Democrats' 'Jonestown' Moment? - Video - FoxNews.com</a>&nbsp; The "Jonestown and Kool Aid" remark is in the first minute or so.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 10:51pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/rules_we_make_em_up_as_we_go_a.html" target="_blank">American Thinker Blog: Rules: 'We make 'em up as we go along'</a><br><br>My <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif" border="0" alt="Censored" title="Censored" />.&nbsp; A federal judge who was impeached by a Democratic congress...and then elected to Congress as a congressman...and is on the rules committee?!&nbsp; <br><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/rules_we_make_em_up_as_we_go_a.html" target="_blank">American Thinker Blog: Rules: 'We make 'em up as we go along'</a>&nbsp; (VIDEO AT THIS LINK)<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Rep. Alcee Hastings (D) Florida, a member of the House Rules Committee, made one of those gaffes that is defined as speaking the truth when he really ought not to have. Hastings articulated the approach the Democrats are taking for health care reform.<br><br>"There ain't no rules here, we're trying to accomplish something. . . .All this talk about rules. . . .When the deal goes down . . . we make 'em up as we go along."</td></tr></table><br><br><font color="#ff0000">EDIT NOTE:&nbsp; The TV report I saw about this said it was an "oops" thing. Apparently he forgot they agreed to let C-SPAN cameras into the meeting...which was not usual.</font><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 10:43pm<br /><br />For a worthless Executive Order, some say.&nbsp; But there is a video of him taken in his home state, <br><br><a href="http://www.thefoxnati&#111;n.com/rep-bart-stupak/2010/03/21/stupak-id-probably-vote-obamacare-even-without-aborti&#111;n-clause" target="_blank">Stupak: I'd Probably Vote for Obamacare Even Without Abortion Clause </a><br><br>I was watching a Harry Potter movie on TV that I'd never seen before, but kept checking the Health Care latest news on other channels.&nbsp; I almost lost it when Pelosi started quoting the Declaration of Independence and how proud the founders would be of them.&nbsp; "...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.."&nbsp; And people will now have more and a better life with the passage of this bill. (Words to that effect.)<br><br>If I'd had something in my hand at that movement...I'd probably had thrown it into the TV.&nbsp; As it was, I found the remote, switched her off and watched no more politics.&nbsp; I am disgusted.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 8:05pm<br /><br />Yup, figured he'd cave, it was writ large that he was posturing.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 4:19pm<br /><br />And yup. Another headline only. (Almost makes the paranoid cynical side of me wonder if they didn't have a deal all along...)<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Stupak: We Have a Deal<br><br>White House, pro-life Democrats reach deal for executive order on abortion to accompany health bill</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 12:12pm<br /><br />Guess I'm spiteful also. LOL<br><br>Just the headline, it says enough: <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Stupak, Dems Close to Deal<br><br>Dem opposed to abortion says he is close to agreement that would allow him to vote for health care bill</td></tr></table><br><br>They will do whatever is necessary to pass this, including signing in blood and turning over their souls to the devil.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 10:20am<br /><br />I thumbed across several Sunday morning news/talk shows this morning of the critical vote in the House.&nbsp; Voices were getting a little loud on both sides of the issue.&nbsp; My spiteful nature sure hope it goes down in flames.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 8:07am<br /><br />My guess is....they don't even care.&nbsp; <br><br>"They" being the powers-that-be behind government controlled health industry. Not the rank-and-file troops supporting the higher ups.<br><br>And "they" don't care because it's not about health care, insurance, helping out some woman in Ohio with cancer.&nbsp; It's about control, expansion of power. It's why Obama has treated health care as an "all or nothing" struggle, while he's been willing to negotiate other bills piecemeal.&nbsp; <br><br>At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it. LOL<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 7:59am<br /><br /><P>Sheesh.</P><P>Another one I read yesterday is that Hawaii will lose some huge chunk of money that they get as a tax directly from insurance companies on collected premiums so there are a lot of moving pieces.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 7:53am<br /><br />That's probably just a minimum.&nbsp; It doesn't even begin to address the cost to individual States.<br><br>I figure it's going to work out like how "traffic fees" are going in some cash strapped states. The "fine" is going to be the least of money:<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Shomari Jennings was willing to pay the $70 ticket he received for driving without a seatbelt, but not the slew of tacked-on fees and penalties that ballooned the cost more than tenfold.<br><br><b>Every $10 of his base fine triggered a $26 "penalty assessment" </b>for courthouse construction, a DNA identification program, emergency medical services and other programs. Other fees ranged from $1 to $35.</td></tr></table><br><br>And yes...that example is from California.&nbsp; But all the States are doing stuff like this. <br><br>If our Founders were alive today....they'd be holding rallies and raising the militia for another Revolution IMHO.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 7:37am<br /><br />$59b doesn't even come close to what it will turn out to be.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 7:34am<br /><br />It's just one doctors person experience...but it was a first person account. At least it wasn't one of Obama's sob-and-horror stories while on the Obamacare Revival Tour.&nbsp; (Which makes me so glad that there are no horror stories about government run programs...<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />)<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">If you’ve been keeping count, we’ve revealed the actual cost of the bill is nearly $3 trillion. But to believe this legislation would cost “only” $3 trillion, we would have to assume that after President Obama signs it into law, it would be rushed to the National Archives and entombed within an impenetrable vault where it would never again be touched by God or man.</td></tr></table><br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/opini&#111;n/2010/03/20/michael-f-cann&#111;n-cato-cbo-health-care-re&#102;orm-democrats-false/" target="_blank"> Do the Math -- Obamacare Would Increase Deficits by $59 Billion</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Mar 2010 at 7:24am<br /><br />Really spells out what's going on with Medicaid.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 7:48pm<br /><br />Rather interesting. A doctor's first person account of:<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/opini&#111;n/2010/03/20/dr-marc-siegel-health-care-re&#102;orm-medicaid-patients-drop-treatment/" target="_blank"> Why This Doctor Dropped Out of Medicaid</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 11:22am<br /><br />You have a good memory. ROFL<br><br>And some other folks have also had the same thought...<br><br><img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_H2DePAZe2gA/Spl4nSU4pkI/AAAAAAAAJss/k77-aJZ4vZY/s400/elmer-gantry-le-charlatan.jpg" height="200" width="150" border="0" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 8:42am<br /><br /><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Karl said:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "He reminds me more and more of a Snake Oil salesman. Whip up some poor ignorant crowd into a frenzy and send them out into the streets to fan the fires of the revolution."&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Like a real live Elmer Gantry, that's O'Bummer. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 7:49am<br /><br />You betcha!!&nbsp; In the case of the California water it's due to an Act of God. Oh...wait...can't be...separation of Church and State and all that. Guess they will have to refuse to use the Heaven sent water...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 7:46am<br /><br />Funny how these things "just happen".]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 7:13am<br /><br />Bye bye, Cornhusker Kickback. Sorry...the $100 Million special deal for Nebraska is out, no more, history.&nbsp; Oh...wait...the VA just announced a reversal yesterday and are now going to spend $500 million to build new a new VA hospital in Omaha.&nbsp; The timing of the VA announcement, of course, is just coincidental.<br><br>Also coincidental, naturally, is <br><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62F5ZP20100316" target="_blank">Parched California to get more water</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 6:49am<br /><br />Need to order a <strike>case</strike> truckload of this stuff:<br><a href="http://www.lostwackys.com/images/original-series/2nd/commie.jpg" target="_blank">Cleanser</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 6:47am<br /><br /><P>We have no idea....just look at the projections for Medicare and what the reality is.</P><P>There weren't just not in the ballpark, they weren't even in the universe.</P><P>This is just upping that by a factor of a googleplex.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 6:31am<br /><br />A little more info here...sounds even worse...<br><a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/19/90745/health-bill-may-not-shave-deficits.html" target="_blank">Health bill may not shave deficits as CBO says | McClatchy</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 6:25am<br /><br /><P>Big surprise....</P><P><a href="http://spectator.org/blog/2010/03/19/cbo-c&#111;nfirms-that-without-acco" target="_blank">CBO Confirms That Without Accounting Gimmicks, Obamacare Adds to Deficits</a></P><P>...that they admitted it.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 5:47am<br /><br />Ego. Pure ego.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 5:10am<br /><br /><P>Ah <a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=172_1269034134" target="_blank">here's</a> a video of that speech/rally. Note the title:</P><P>"Obama's Bizarre, Unhinged Health Care Rally"</P><P>I had to wonder if booze or drugs were involved.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 4:45am<br /><br /><P>I dunno, Joe has never let a thought go unspoken.</P><P>Yup, banks, autos, health care, insurance, it's all about control.</P><P>I was also thinking....the only thing that will stop this is congresscritters that are afraid of losing their jobs. I don't think there are more than a handful of politicians that love this country but they sure like their perks so maybe....</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 4:43am<br /><br />Want to bet Biden is in trouble again?! LOL <a href="http://www.chicag&#111;now.com/blogs/publius-forum/2010/03/vp-biden-says-obama-plans-to-c&#111;ntrol-insurance-companies.html" target="_blank">VP Biden Says Obama Plans to 'Control Insurance Companies' - Publius Forum</a><br><br>Sometimes I wonder about Joe.&nbsp; I used to like him. Not agree with him...but I did find him humorous...because he was human and afflicted with stickfootinmouth syndrome; a lot of us suffer from it.&nbsp; But lately...I wonder if he accepted the VP slot purely out of "party loyalty"...but he hates Obamarama so much that he's subconsciously having more and more little embarrassing slips of the tongue?&nbsp; (I don't remember him ever being this bad.)<br><br>Sorry. It was a search engine top hit:<br><a href="http://www.huffingt&#111;npost.com/2010/03/18/biden-at-2010-radio-tv-co_n_503653.html" target="_blank">Joe Biden At 2010 Radio &amp; TV Correspondents' Dinner: VP Biden Jokes About Israel Visit, Naked Rahm, Tips From Tiger Woods (VIDEO)</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 4:38am<br /><br /><P>If I have misjudged him I'll apologize but Stupak is going to fold and vote yes because of some "deal" that will never happen. He knows it'll never happen but he's positioned himself to say that he did everything he could (but vote no). A Catholic in name only.</P><P>I saw that speech. I wish I hadn't. I am now inclined to poke out my eyes and my eardrums.</P><P>"They're rich, they can afford it".  Never dawns on them where it eventually comes from.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 4:32am<br /><br />Sadly I agree (it will pass). That's been my guess for a long time.&nbsp; Lots of pressure on those folks; "party first". (God, country, principles...not worth squat in D.C.)<br><br>I see Caterpillar has come out against it...saying it will cost them $100 million a year...and that is at "only" an additional $55 per employee.&nbsp; (Not sure if that's per week or per month.)&nbsp; What's sad were many of the reader comments at news sites about the Caterpillar story. More, "so what...they're rich...they can afford it..." type of logic. <br><br>A few good editorial cartoons:<br><br><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/varv03192010a20100319035037.jpg" target="_blank">Health Care&nbsp; and Social Security</a>&nbsp; (Wow...did you read that our SS funds is a bunch of government IOU's in the bottom drawer of an office in Ohio(?).&nbsp; For real....printed on paper..."bonds" from the government "borrowing" the excess SS money. I don't remember co-signing a loan for the government!!)<br><br><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sk0319j20100319014004.jpg" target="_blank">Deem and Pay</a>&nbsp; I like this one. Don't think it will work..but I like it.<br><br>And I really find <a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/100319beelerto&#111;n_c20100319054106.jpg" target="_blank">this one</a> humorous.&nbsp; There was a clip on TV last night of Obama speaking at a rally at a college.&nbsp; He reminds me more and more of a Snake Oil salesman. Whip up some poor ignorant crowd into a frenzy and send them out into the streets to fan the fires of the revolution. <br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 3:17am<br /><br />Oh, and as for predictions, I think it'll pass. Stupak and a group has a press conference today and that might foretell the outcome; my guess is that they're going to cave. They may profess to dislike abortion but they're loyal democrats first. There will be a handful that won't, but my guess is that there won't be enough to stop it.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Mar 2010 at 3:13am<br /><br /><P>I've taken as close a look at the details as I can and the only thing I can come up with is that this is going to be very, very expensive. Not just to taxpayers but to everyone that is going to be required to buy insurance and premiums are going to go way, way, up.</P><P>I'm not sure that anyone who thinks this is a good idea quite understands this, I think they think it's all going to be "free". I expect they will be in for a rude awakening but by that time there will be a republican president and they'll just blame it on him.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Mar 2010 at 4:31pm<br /><br />Well, they control or own a big chunk of financials, domestic autos, etc. and if they get health care that'll be about 50% of the economy they own/heavily control.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Mar 2010 at 4:26pm<br /><br />O'Reilly a few nights ago seems to be losing it. Or trying to be more "fair and balanced" than he should be.&nbsp; He was the only one with the view that Obama wouldn't go for a Health Care bill that wasn't voted on by each individual congress critter.&nbsp; O'Reilly's view was that one that was snuck or rammed through would ruin Obama's "legacy".&nbsp; <br><br>None of his guests that night shared his view.&nbsp; Neither do I.&nbsp; Obama doesn't care squat for how it gets done...as long as it gets done.&nbsp; Fifty years from now, (less actually) nobody will remember or care how it passed, only that it did by Barrack Obama.&nbsp; <br><br>And most of the rest of the liberals?&nbsp; I don't think most care much what is in the bill. They will "fix it" later.&nbsp; Whatever gets passed isn't an "end"..it's a begging...a foot in the door for single payer, putting insurance companies out of business....<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Mar 2010 at 3:26pm<br /><br />They have pulled the doc till they can authenticate it...as the Dems dispute its authenticity. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Mar 2010 at 1:05pm<br /><br /><P>Rule one; never put it in writing.</P><P><a href="http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/EXCLUSIVE__Democrats_plan_doc_fix_after_re&#102;orm.html?showall#" target="_blank">EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform</a></P><P>But then I'm sure that a large chunk of people think that the only reason everything isn't free is because of greedy rich people. And if you haven't seen the tax increases on rich people hidden in this bill hold on, it's just ugly. Of course the transactions that will be taxed will simply stop as soon as the tax goes into effect and it'll kill a couple of million (if not more) jobs, but it makes it appear that the books are "balanced".</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Mar 2010 at 9:45am<br /><br /><P>An interesting thought.</P><P><a href="http://www.redstate.com/dia0420/2010/03/19/you-made-your-bed-now-lie-in-it/" target="_blank">You made your bed, now lie in it…</a></P><P>But I know the answer, they'll just say that President _so and so_ hates _fill in the blanks_ and is killing them on purpose when there's no health care to go around because commies have rationed it.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Mar 2010 at 3:40am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Dems kill the extra $100M in Medicaid funds for Nebraska that has become a symbol of backdoor deal making.</td></tr></table><br><br>That's from a headline this morning.&nbsp; But another article last night had a list of other last minute deals added to sweeten the pot...worth billions.&nbsp; For some reason all the special deals to entice<strike> people</strike> politicians to pass the bill made me wonder...what's the difference between what they are doing and what Blago did?&nbsp; Not much IMHO.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Mar 2010 at 4:00am<br /><br />Read a story this morning:Obama is backing away from his insistence that senators purge the legislation of a number of lawmakers' special deals.&nbsp; State specific special deals are out, like for Nebraska, but others are in. The new Obama position is <i><u>"could</u></i>" the special deal apply to all states at sometime in the future?<br><br>Kinda fits one of Steyns comments:<br>The short history of the postwar welfare state is that you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life:<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Mar 2010 at 10:56pm<br /><br />I liked that one too.&nbsp; Very descriptive to say the least!&nbsp; Sci-Fi words describing real life situations.&nbsp; He's fun to watch too.&nbsp; He sits in as sub for O'Reilly now and again.&nbsp; I think Don first brought him to my attention.&nbsp; Canadian fellow but lives in the states up East.&nbsp; (Or is that down East?)&nbsp; His strong opinions have made many critical of him.&nbsp; He has a website here --&gt; <a href="http://www.steyn&#111;nline.com/" target="_blank">http://www.steynonline.com/</A>&nbsp; ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Mar 2010 at 9:51pm<br /><br />It's hard to beat "...fetid behemoth of toxic pustules oozing all over the basement..." (He could be talking about politicians in general. ROFL]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Mar 2010 at 9:25pm<br /><br />Yeah, writing, speaking, thinking - he cuts to the chase.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Mar 2010 at 9:19pm<br /><br />Dang...I sure like his writing style!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Mar 2010 at 9:18pm<br /><br />Ouch and double ouch.<br><br><a href="http://www.steyn&#111;nline.com/c&#111;ntent/view/3019/" target="_blank">SteynOnline - WHY'S HE DOING IT?</a><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">A year or two back, when the Canadian Islamic Congress attempted to criminalize my writing north of the border by taking me to the Canadian "Human Rights" Commission, a number of outraged American readers wrote to me saying, "You need to start kicking up a fuss about this, Steyn, and then maybe Canadians will get mad and elect a conservative government that will end this nonsense."<br><br>Makes perfect sense. Except that Canada already has a Conservative government under a Conservative prime minister, and the very head of the "human rights" commission investigating me was herself the Conservative appointee of a Conservative minister of justice. Makes no difference.<br><br>Once the state swells to a certain size, the people available to fill the ever expanding number of government jobs will be statists — sometimes hard-core Marxist statists, sometimes social-engineering multiculti statists, sometimes fluffily "compassionate" statists, but always statists.<br>The short history of the postwar welfare state is that you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life: The people can elect "conservatives," as the Germans have done and the British are about to do, and the left is mostly relaxed about it because, in all but exceptional cases (Thatcher), they fulfill the same function in the system as the first-year boys at wintry English boarding schools who for tuppence-ha'penny or some such would agree to go and warm the seat in the unheated lavatories until the prefects strolled in and took their rightful place.<br><br>Republicans are good at keeping the seat warm. A big-time GOP consultant was on TV crowing that Republicans wanted the Dems to pass ObamaCare because it's so unpopular it will guarantee a GOP sweep in November.<br><br>Okay, then what? You'll roll it back — like you've rolled back all those other unsustainable entitlements premised on cobwebbed actuarial tables from 80 years ago?<br><br>Like you've undone the Department of Education and of Energy and all the other nickel 'n' dime novelties of even a universally reviled one-term loser like Jimmy Carter?<br><br>Andrew McCarthy concluded a shrewd analysis of the political realities thus:<br><br>"Health care is a loser for the Left only if the Right has the steel to undo it. The Left is banking on an absence of steel. Why is that a bad bet?"<br><br>Indeed.<br><br>Look at it from the Dems' point of view. You pass ObamaCare. You lose the 2010 election, which gives the GOP co-ownership of an awkward couple of years.<br><br>And you come back in 2012 to find your health care apparatus is still in place, a fetid behemoth of toxic pustules oozing all over the basement, and, simply through the natural processes of government, already bigger and more expensive and more bureaucratic than it was when you passed it two years earlier.<br><br>That's a huge prize, and well worth a midterm timeout.</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 2:24pm<br /><br />That was a good one, though not the one I was originally thinking of.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 10:46am<br /><br />Found it...<br><br><a href="http://www.am1280thepatriot.com/column.aspx?id=c46025a2-92f5-4ef7-b215-eaea9b75fbe2" target="_blank">Artificial Stupidity by Thomas Sowell</a><a href="%3ca%20href=" target="_blank"></a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 9:48am<br /><br />BO must have something contageous...<br><br><a href="http://washingt&#111;ntimes.com/news/2010/mar/10/some-democrats-shun-obama-&#101;vent-st-louis/" target="_blank"><br>Some Democrats shun Obama event in St. Louis</a><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 6:11am<br /><br />Coincidentally...a comic from today:<br><a href="http://www.gocomics.com/bottomliners/2010/03/13/" target="_blank">An example of artificial stupidity</a><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 6:02am<br /><br />HeeHee&nbsp; Me too. All natural born organic. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 5:48am<br /><br />Haha, I don't need any artificial stupidity, I've got the real thing, I saw "slashdot" and thought it was that site.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 5:40am<br /><br />First time I'd heard of the place:<br><br>SlashNOT.com<br>Humor for nerds. Satire that matters.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 5:38am<br /><br />Is that satire or the real deal?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 5:36am<br /><br />Ouch. Bet it really hurt removing those anchors!&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br><br>This isn't the "artificial stupidity" I read...but pretty good.<br><a href="http://www.slashnot.com/articles/67/" target="_blank">http://www.slashnot.com/articles/67/</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 5:12am<br /><br /><P>I guess....</P><P>Oh, speaking of Obama's colonoscopy.</P><P>I read where they didn't find any polyps but they did find three NY Times reporters and two MSNBC anchors.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 5:08am<br /><br />(a) uncontrolled greed <br><br>(b) demon possession.<br><br>(c)artificial stupidity<br><br>&nbsp;(Or, (d) all of the above.)<br><br><br><br><br>(Doubt if I could find "artificial stupidity" that I read a while back. A very sarcastic review of modern high tech world societies.&nbsp; Something along the lines of a lot of people are born highly intelligent but dumb down as they age.&nbsp; Instead of thinking and reasoning for themselves, they let their brain cells atrophy through the reliance upon modern high tech stuff, e.g., video games and entertainment, and especially "instant" messaging, polls, Twitters and Tweets, alerts, etc.&nbsp; <br><br>Not that it said the technology was a bad thing itself.<br><br>&nbsp; More along the lines of, "Sir, can you tell me what your personal beliefs are about xxxxx issues?"<br><br>"Uh, sure...(whipping out cell phone) just give me a few minutes while I check Google, Twitter, CNN, MSNBC, and the major poll sites...")<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 4:45am<br /><br /><P>It amazes me how hard they continue to push this, they must see this as their last chance to finish the take over. Banks, auto companies, health care, et al; they'll control a large chunk of the economy.</P><P>Nothing else makes sense.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 4:41am<br /><br />Oh wow...that's some of the pro-life Democrats he was talking about when he said "they just want this over". <br><br>And that, IMHO, is how radicals, terrorists and such often finally win in the end. They keep hammering, pushing, punishing, lawsuits...whatever....until enough of their opponents just get tired and want an end to it. <br><br>Another story this morning about the senate special deals. It used to be that I'd read stuff like this and have a vivid picture of pigs at a trough.&nbsp; Nowadays...it's more an image of scavengers fighting over a carcass.&nbsp; <br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100313/ap_&#111;n_bi_ge/us_health_overhaul_special_deals" target="_blank">Senators resist Obama over projects in health bill </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 4:26am<br /><br /><P>More on Stupak.</P><P><a href="http://corner.nati&#111;nalreview.com/post/?q=MzU0MDYxMWEyOTdiNGU1OGU3ZjYzYmE3Y2ZlZDQ5NTY=" target="_blank">‘They Just Want This Over’</a></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says.</td></tr></table><BR>And<BR><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">“This has really reached an unhealthy stage,” Stupak says. “People are threatening ethics complaints on me. On the left, they’re really stepping it up. Every day, from Rachel Maddow to the Daily Kos, it keeps coming. Does it bother me? Sure. Does it change my position? No.”</td></tr></table><BR>Just nuts.<BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Mar 2010 at 3:42am<br /><br />Nuts.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Mar 2010 at 5:06pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/12/pro-life-democrat-claims-committee-chairman-wants-government-fund-aborti&#111;ns/" target="_blank"> Stupak Claims Committee Chairman Wants Government to Fund Abortions</a><br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100312/ap_&#111;n_he_me/us_med_unnecessary_tests" target="_blank">Experts say even Obama getting too many med tests</a><br><br>The sharks are circling....<br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100312/ap_&#111;n_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul" target="_blank">Dems seek agreement, quick vote on health care - Yahoo! News</a><br><br>This isn't a health "insurance" bill...it's a medical "pool" bill.&nbsp; Nothing to do with insurance...but pooling every swinging person into a giant collective money pot.&nbsp; <br><br>And...lets throw 60 or 70 billion dollars in college education into the health care bill to sweeten the pot. (Because they know they can't get the college funds approved by itself in a stand-alone bill.)&nbsp; Just yesterday I read that Obama wanted no special deals or add-ons to Obamacare. (And some House democrats basically told him to take a hike.)&nbsp; Looks like he's changed his mind by today.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Mar 2010 at 4:42pm<br /><br />Dunno. Got a long way to go before then (when we're all Americans). Don't know if I'd bet on it.&nbsp; A society is usually built, IMHO, on common backgrounds.&nbsp; Not identical...but at least with a lot of things in common.<br><br>But that's OK.&nbsp; The more groups who demand "special treatment"...the more it may never pass.&nbsp; <br><br>Reminds me of a story in California this week. Students on strike and picketing. Somebody threw cotton balls on the lawn of the Black Student Union building.&nbsp; A good many of the reader comments picked up on that and wanted to either know where the White Student Union building was located, or how true equality will ever be achieved like this.  (And it's kind of hard to demand "equality" and special treatment/recognition at the same time.)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 Mar 2010 at 9:55am<br /><br /><P>Live by identity politics, die by identity politics.</P><P><a href="http://thehill.com/homenews/house/86125-hispanic-caucus-threat-to-vote-no-&#111;n-healthcare" target="_blank">Immigration provision has Hispanic Caucus threatening ‘no’ health vote</a></P><P>I dream of the day when we're all Americans.</P><P>Oh, wait, never mind.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Mar 2010 at 6:54pm<br /><br />Pretty good:<br><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2010/03/10/is_health_care_a_right?page=full" target="_blank">Walter E. Williams : Is Health Care a Right?</a><br><br>One point that's good is about taking a hundred bucks out of somebody's paycheck.&nbsp; No idea how many I work with are in favor of Obamacare.&nbsp; Some. A good many though support other stuff...like extended extended unemployment benefits.&nbsp; But I know for a fact that if the government would deduct an extra $20 a week from their paycheck....to give to somebody less fortunate...they'd be up in arms.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Mar 2010 at 9:25pm<br /><br />Sad but true.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Mar 2010 at 8:49pm<br /><br />Ouch. <br><br><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz030910dAPR20100309032636.jpg" target="_blank">http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz030910dAPR20100309032636.jpg</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Mar 2010 at 7:22pm<br /><br />The whole thing...well...I ain't going there. And this stuff over abortion funding.&nbsp; I'll never understand politicians who say they are personally opposed to it, find it morally wrong...but then say they can't let their "personal beliefs" sway their political decisions.&nbsp; Why even bother to have personal convictions.&nbsp; Ought to be interesting on judgment day.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Mar 2010 at 6:11am<br /><br /><P>I just got caught up on this watching a video of his "campaign speech" and reading a couple of articles and it's just amazing to me the "problems" he cites that just can't be solved by any of the proposed changes. And no one ever calls him one it.</P><P>I found I could substitute the word "government" each time he said "insurance companies" and post "reform" they'd work. There is no "change" here other than swapping one for the other.</P><P>Especially when you consider <a href="http://www.bigbureaucracy.com/?p=592" target="_blank">this</a>. </P><P>The ONLY solution is to ration health care and instead of letting the market do it the government is going to be doing it and it's going to be a lot, lot nastier and restrictive. Yet somehow when Obongo talks about it cost is not going to be an issue and everything will be free.</P><P>And apparently some buy it.</P><P>Go figure.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Mar 2010 at 8:27pm<br /><br />Looks like Obama is back on the election campaign again...or so the headlines say. I didn't read much. Something about targeting college age kids and the early twenties set again...the Obamaarmy?&nbsp; <br><br>Anyhow...I skipped most of the article about it and read the reader's comments.&nbsp; Interesting, even at&nbsp; MSM sites,&nbsp; there's a lot of "If Obamacare (and retirement and other benefits) is so great why isn't Congress and Federal employees living by it."<br><br>It was actually encouraging to see comments like that at MSM sites. Perhaps some of those in the Obama fan club are starting to think for themselves.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Mar 2010 at 3:14pm<br /><br />Welcome to the Collective. You will be assimilated.&nbsp; Resistance is futile.&nbsp;]]>
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<table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Karl_db</strong></em><br /><br />They are not selling or promoting insurance in the traditional sense. They are selling a "right" to medical care with everyone a member of the "collective" to help defray costs.<BR><P></td></tr></table></P><P>Redistribution of health.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Mar 2010 at 8:41pm<br /><br />Post Hospital?<br><br><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm10030320100303105242.jpg" target="_blank">http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm10030320100303105242.jpg</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Mar 2010 at 3:11pm<br /><br />Saw a headline that he wants a simple majority vote.&nbsp; I figured as much.<br><br>They are not selling or promoting insurance in the traditional sense. They are selling a "right" to medical care with everyone a member of the "collective" to help defray costs.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Mar 2010 at 1:07pm<br /><br /><P>Listening to 0bama and there's something I just don't get.</P><P>He keeps talking about how insurance companies can't be allowed to disallow preexisting conditions.</P><P>Now to me that's like me driving a car, having a wreck and then calling up an insurance company and demanding that they cover my wreck.</P><P>Am I missing something? Insurance is part risk pool/part savings. You pay in, you don't use it and then wham, you have a big bill, maybe more than you've paid in. That makes sense, that's part of the risk pool and that's how insurance companies stay in business, they know the odds.</P><P>What doesn't make sense is that you don't buy insurance, you get sick, you get insurance and require the insurance company to cover it.</P><P>Actually the insurance company doesn't cover it, it's covered by the rest of us that have been paying in all along.</P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Feb 2010 at 7:52am<br /><br />Just read a editorial by O'Reilly. Which reminded me that I caught part of his show last week.&nbsp; His guest was a fellow who likes to hear himself talk...some Dick Morris.&nbsp; But I think I finally realized what it is the mostly bothers me about O'Reilly...and not just his dismissive arrogant style.<br><br>I "think" everything to O'Reilly comes down first to an issue of 'money'. <br><br>Morris was making some talking points about Obamacare and ethics, rights, Constitutional type stuff. And O'Reilly kept saying that doesn't have anything to do with it...it's the "financial cost to the nation". <br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Feb 2010 at 5:19am<br /><br />Wow...that's it! You're right Bob...Mussolini!!&nbsp; Google images says lots others have noticed it.<br>This isn't the best representation...but I like the titles..."Obamalini" etc.<br><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3107/2851303515_3809f0566b.jpg" height="250" width="176" border="0" align="bottom" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 11:05pm<br /><br />Small thing but one thing that really gets to me about Obummers appearances is his habit of tilting his head back and looking down his nose.&nbsp; It really gets to me (does anyone recall newsreels of Mussolini?&nbsp; It just occurred to me ... same pose and same arrogance <SPAN =pg><strong><EM>–noun</EM></strong></SPAN> <DIV =luna-Ent>offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.)!&nbsp; Arrogance, along with his statements like "I'm the President now" and other small but really irritating things.&nbsp; Not in my life time have I ever seen a person like this in our highest office.&nbsp; The term President is not about the individual, it's about the representative of "the people" and I ain't seen that in any form as yet.&nbsp; And the statement about "Well, that's what elections are all about" or something similar.&nbsp; The dims are gonna try the nuclear option for sure and be damned with the outcome.&nbsp; Like Karl and like Rush I hope he fails!&nbsp; I&nbsp;really hope November results in&nbsp;all the&nbsp;possibilities that&nbsp;are there.&nbsp; (End of rant)</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 7:39pm<br /><br />Rather long. A video.&nbsp; Clips of Reid, Clinton (Hillary), Dodd, Obama, etc from 2005 expressing their opinion of the "Nuclear Option"...when Bush threatened to use it apparently.&nbsp; My how their tune has changed:<br><br><a href="http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-dems-in-2005-51-vote-nuclear-opti&#111;n-is-arrogant-power-grab-against-the-founders-intent/" target="_blank">Breitbart.tv » Obama &amp; Dems in ‘05: 51 Vote ‘Nuclear Option’ Is ‘Arrogant’ Power Grab Against the Founders’ Intent</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 4:21pm<br /><br /><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704479404575087902935784456.html?mod=rss_Todays_Most_Popular" target="_blank">More Boor Than Cure - WSJ.com</a><br><br>Long...but some pretty good observations in it. Most serious, some light-hearted...and some light-hearted but still serious.<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">He (Obama) also, as he demonstrated in the 2008 debates, likes to speak long to take the oxygen out of the room, to tire his opponents and leave them having to decide which of his many statements to address first.</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 4:13pm<br /><br />Don - Glad you held back.&nbsp; We'd miss you.<br><br>Just an FYI, my politically savvy conservative younger daughter refers to him as "Obambi"<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 4:12pm<br /><br />That's what&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif" border="0" alt="Censored" title="Censored" /> is for. HeeHee<br><br>Just read about that "I'm the president" and got wrapped up reading some of the conversation.&nbsp; It's all here apparently:<br><a href="http://www.journalexpress.net/news/local_story_056152228.html?keyword=topstory" target="_blank">http://www.journalexpress.net/news/local_story_056152228.html?keyword=topstory</a><br><br>I just read some of it. Couldn't stand much.&nbsp; I'm sorry...he's just an arrogant <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif" border="0" alt="Censored" title="Censored" />. Now you'll have to excuse me while I go wash my mouth out with soap.<br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 4:05pm<br /><br /><P>What a dufus.</P><P>I'd thought of another word but if I used it I'd have to ban myself.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 4:02pm<br /><br /><a href="" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;ntimes.com/news/2010/feb/26/obama-listens-at-health-summit-but-mostly-hears-fr/" target="_blank">By the end of the televised event, Mr. Obama had spoken for 119 minutes- nine minutes more than the 110 minutes consumed by 17 Republicans.</a></a><br><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/02/25/obama_at_health_care_summit_i_d&#111;nt_count_my_time_because_im_the_president.html" target="_blank"><br>Obama At Health Care Summit: "I Don't Count My Time Because I'm The President"</a><br><br>The London Times: "Try to stay awake: the President has a healthcare Bill to pass"<br>]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care :  Don&amp;#039;t know either. There...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 3:47pm<br /><br />Don't know either. There was mention in something I read this morning that he pretty much hogged the playing time.<br><br>Sure isn't impressed a bit, this "ram it through" attitude of his....then let the voters decide in November if they approve or not by who they elect...or don't.&nbsp; Obama is a smart fellow. He knows that voters hardly ever vote to undo something the government is giving (sic) them.&nbsp; Look at the FDR programs still in existence today.&nbsp; <br>He's sure an arrogant cuss.&nbsp; I hate to say it, but I sure hope he fails. Not to wish ill upon the U.S., but I think the only way for the Nation to succeed...is for him to fail. &nbsp; If he would succeed, regain popularity and support...and do a second term.......don't even want to think about that.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 3:18pm<br /><br /><P>I read something today, don't know if it's true, but they claimed that Obama spoke more (in terms of time) than all the 17 republicans combined.</P><P>Now all of them can generate a lot of hot air but it seemed to me he was running out the clock.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 3:08pm<br /><br />That guy is a real piece of work. Pooh!<br><br>The Obama-McCain exchange popped into my head a couple times today at work.&nbsp; Even though, IMHO, McCain has his "cons"...the more I think about it...the more disgusted with this "imperial" president I become.&nbsp; Addressing someone by their first name while they use the other persons title is nothing but a reminder of whom is master and who is the servant.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 7:17am<br /><br />Operators - I don't know when elevators became rider operated with a panel but when we first got to Houston in '45 elevators still had manual controls and&nbsp;dedicated operators, usually dressed in some kind of uniform.&nbsp; ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 5:24am<br /><br /><P>Was reading this:</P><P><a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0210/Schumer_saves_it_for_the_elevator.html?showall" target="_blank">Schumer saves it for the elevator</a></P><P>And I wasn't struck so much by anything there except for this:</P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">"It's snowing!" Schumer declared to colleague Kay Hagan (D-N.C.) as he rushed her into the <strong>senators-only elevator</strong>. He then pleaded with the <strong>operator</strong>, "Ma'am! Ma'am! We have to go! I have a train leaving in nine minutes!"</td></tr></table><BR>Elevator operator? Elevator operator?<BR></P><P>It's good to be part of the ruling class and not have to go to the efforts of mashing a button.</P><P>Sheesh. Now that I think about it I'm not sure that I can remember ever seeing an actual elevator operator outside of a movie.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 4:13am<br /><br />I watched some of it and it was weird. Obama kept lecturing and talking down to the republicans and I haven't a clue as to how it would lead to anything that would accomplish anything so I think you're right, it was entirely a photo op.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 3:49am<br /><br />Overall I think Obama got exactly what he wanted from his photo-op.&nbsp; The ability to show off on live TV and be able to say he tried to reach out and be bipartisan...but those nasty ol' Republicans just won't play ball.&nbsp; <br><br>Reminds me of some restaurants...you can have anything you want, anyway you want....as long as it's our way.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2010 at 3:45am<br /><br />I've noticed a lack of comments about the great health care photo op?&nbsp; I assume everybody missed it. (Shucks....I had to work...darn it all anyway.)<br><br>Read a report or two about it, and a short online video of the McCain-Obama exchange.<br><br>McCain isn't one of my faves...and it looked like he was starting to ramble...but I thought..."How arrogant" of Obama.&nbsp; McCain might be past his prime and not camera pretty like some folks, but still deserves a little better than a slap-down by some yahoo playing to the camera.&nbsp; <br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Feb 2010 at 3:40am<br /><br />Looks like today is the big Obama invite bipartisan health care summit in D.C. Telecast live! Whoop-de-do!&nbsp; <br><br>How do we define "bipartisan"?<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">"We'll have that meeting," said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., who helped write the Senate bill. "But far more important, after that meeting, you can either join us or get out of the way."</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Feb 2010 at 11:20am<br /><br />Very true, and for most people, things are not getting any easier.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Feb 2010 at 9:58am<br /><br />Plus McLame was a lousy option. I can see where people who are busy with work, families, etc. would have gone the way they did, they just probably don't have the time to understand anything beyond the sound bites.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Feb 2010 at 9:32am<br /><br />I remember lamenting the fact that there were enough people to vote for Obama to put him in office, along with the fact that the current state of public "education" probably contributed to it.&nbsp; It led me to believe that, on average, the general public was truly ignorant, as in there ability to understand the obvious.&nbsp; Seems in reality a substantial number of those voters were only ignorant in that they were not paying attention to what politicians were doing at the time.&nbsp; Looks like they are paying more attention now.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Feb 2010 at 9:01am<br /><br />Ignorant. Hmm.&nbsp; Depends on how it's defined perhaps. I prefer to think of it as we are just not as articulate as the upper class. Or...we just aren't as good at slinging the B.S. as some folks are.&nbsp; (We call a crook a crook...not a disadvantaged oppressed member of society with issues who is not responsible for their actions due to poor parenting, an impoverished childhood,&nbsp; a history of oppression by the conservative majority, and&nbsp; attention deficit disorder compounded by alternative values&nbsp; imparted by Twinkies, too many TV Commercials, terminal teenage acne, getting hit in the groin while playing dodgeball in school,&nbsp; and their great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents who were once serfs on a manor in France.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Feb 2010 at 7:27am<br /><br />Two good thought provoking write ups.&nbsp; It's kind of funny to me that the "smarter" article has the Dems thinking the general public is ignorant.&nbsp; It did seem that way about a year ago after the last Presidential election, but now it seems that they have gotten a bit smarter.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Feb 2010 at 5:21am<br /><br />Excellent points by the Hammer.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Feb 2010 at 5:18am<br /><br />That link reminded me of something else that was published online a few days(?) ago. I thought it was a story...but it's a Krauthammer commentary:<br><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/wp-dyn/c&#111;ntent/article/2010/02/18/AR2010021803413.html?hpid=opini&#111;nsbox1" target="_blank">Charles Krauthammer - It's nonsense to say the U.S. is ungovernable</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Feb 2010 at 4:46am<br /><br /><P>They're going to give us what's good for us even if we don't want it.</P><P>We are so fortunate that they are so much <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/blame-americans-first" target="_blank">smarter</a> than we are and know what we need even if we don't.</P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Feb 2010 at 4:43am<br /><br />Vote? Bipartisan?&nbsp; We don't need no stinking bipartisan support. Heck...we don't need even need to vote. Stinking politicians.<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/20/reid-signals-backing-govt-opti&#111;n-gop-barrier-fails/" target="_blank">FOXNews.com - Reid Signals Backing of Gov't-Run Health Option if GOP Barrier Fails</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Feb 2010 at 3:49am<br /><br />Ah...at least I'm not the only suspicious person. Exactly.&nbsp; Any moderate or conservative "boot-strap" proposal will be presented as "flimsy" by the party who promises anything and everything for free to the voters.<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/09/gop-wary-obama-health-trap/" target="_blank">Republicans Privately Worry Obama May Be Laying Trap With Televised Health Care Summit</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Feb 2010 at 5:59am<br /><br />Now that they've put us in debt beyond comprehension, they are on the "let's talk" page.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Feb 2010 at 5:38pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">President Barack Obama says he has invited Republican and Democratic leaders to discuss health care legislation later this month.<br><br>In an interview Sunday with CBS' Katie Couric, Obama said he wants Republicans "to put their ideas on the table."<br><br>Obama and Congress' Democratic leaders are seeking a way to overhaul the nation's health care system even though Senate Republicans are again able to block legislation with filibusters.<br><br>Polls show that many Americans feel Obama and his congressional allies have not sought enough GOP input, although <b>Democrats say Republicans have shown virtually no interest in seeking a realistic agreement</b>.<br><br>The White House says the Feb. 25 session will involve Republican and Democratic leaders from both houses of Congress, and will probably be held at Blair House, across the street from the White House.</td></tr></table><br><br>The stuff in bold was my doing. Sure..."realistic" ideas, e.g., far left liberal ideas.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Jan 2010 at 7:48pm<br /><br />yep]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Jan 2010 at 5:31pm<br /><br />Well now...this is interesting. <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/ap_&#111;n_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul" target="_blank">Did Bahy buy some political viagra</a>??<br><br>Notice it notes that Bayh is from a "Republican leaning state" and he's up for re-election this year. My goodness....Bayh is actualy more afraid of the voters than Obama or the party apparatus!&nbsp; <br><br>Sowell is correct:<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><span style="font-size: small;">No one will really understand politicsuntil they understand that politicians are not trying to solve ourproblems. They are trying to solve their own problems— of which gettingelected and re-elected are number one and number two. Whatever isnumber three is far behind.</td></tr></table></span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Jan 2010 at 7:50pm<br /><br />I hope it's not a head fake so they can try to sneak one through at midnight.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Jan 2010 at 5:09pm<br /><br />And that ain't gonna happen!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Jan 2010 at 11:04am<br /><br /><P>If true how sweet it is.</P><P><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/77289-pelosi-house-lacks-votes-to-pass-senate-bill" target="_blank">Pelosi: House lacks votes to pass Senate healthcare bill</a></P><P>Bottom line is that they don't have the for the house to just pass the senate bill in whole to avoid a re-vote in the senate.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jan 2010 at 10:12pm<br /><br />You are going to take a ride on it aren't you?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jan 2010 at 4:45pm<br /><br /><P>This has turned into a real nightmare for everybody so I figure I might as well enjoy it.</P><P>Sadly it's not cheap entertainment.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jan 2010 at 4:43pm<br /><br />Don't know if I can handle eating this much popcorn....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Jan 2010 at 4:29pm<br /><br /><P>It's like a freaking zombie.</P><P><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100120/ap_&#111;n_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul" target="_blank">Obama, allies now seek pared-down health care bill</a></P><P>It's like light rail here in CenTx. It was on the ballot like six or seven times and finally either they wore everybody down or no one was paying attention and it won by 6/10th of 1 percent (50.6).</P><P>It's now 22 months since it was supposed to start up and it's still not running. I don't have a clue as to how much the overrun might be at this point and I don't think the transit authority does either as it was recently discovered that they didn't know how to do accounting (apparently).</P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Jan 2010 at 9:00pm<br /><br />Thanks Bob.&nbsp; I sure am glad to be back.&nbsp; I missed my pillow, my bed and my coffee pot the most.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Jan 2010 at 9:32am<br /><br />Welcome home Randy.&nbsp; The way I understand it, in Mass. it's not necessarily the Dems. doing a flip-flop since Independants outnumber both parties up there and they are the ones (along with Repubs.) that could sway the election.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Jan 2010 at 9:21am<br /><br />It took me a while to get where I am on politicians, that they have no real principles and are only out for what they can get, but I have changed my thoughts on voters.&nbsp; If the Mass. Senate race can be this close, voters have no guiding principles either, at least liberal ones.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Jan 2010 at 4:00am<br /><br />That would be nice.&nbsp; It could be more than 30...dunno. I'd have to think a bit about how many liberal and welfare states are already in operation.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Jan 2010 at 3:58am<br /><br />It won't happen in all 30 states but are we seeing the beginning of a wall being put up around DC?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Jan 2010 at 3:55am<br /><br />Makes me wonder...how many states opting out would it take to effectively neuter Obamacare?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Jan 2010 at 3:38am<br /><br /><P><a href="http://washingt&#111;ntimes.com/news/2010/jan/19/federal-health-care-foes-plot-for-state-opt-outs/" target="_blank">Federal health care foes plot for state opt-outs</a></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Lawmakers in <strong>30 states</strong> are pressing for constitutional amendments to exempt individuals from the requirement to purchase health care</td></tr></table><BR>Yeow!<BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jan 2010 at 9:30pm<br /><br />Interesting:<br><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hmJZHWJdSugO87RwwHL_10Dn_Vqw" target="_blank">AFP: First private pharmacy since 1971 opened in Sweden</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jan 2010 at 3:16pm<br /><br />Equality of the law. Yep. Right there in the Constitution. Or was. Maybe the accidentally hit the delete key.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Jan 2010 at 11:39am<br /><br /><P>If they go nuclear not even ACORN will be able to get them in office. They're not even trying to pretend any longer.</P><P><a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opini&#111;n/opedcolumnists/no_taxes_please_we_re_democrats_uUjHMALRMQBL4P6CHkBKhN" target="_blank">No taxes, please, we're Democrats</a></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Jan 2010 at 8:17pm<br /><br />Might not be many 60+ folks around when these yahoos get done. (Except for in Congress of course, where you can be in your 90's and brought in in a wheelchair to vote.)<br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/16/dems-weigh-opti&#111;ns-passing-health-care-gop-wins-kennedys-seat/" target="_blank"> Dems Weigh Other Options for Passing Health Care if GOP Wins Kennedy's Seat</a><br><br>I've read some more stuff about this Coakley. It's nice to know there's no more terrorists in Afghanistan...since they've all moved to Yemen.&nbsp; If she wins the election...it's only going to be for one reason...to keep a Democrat as the Mass senator.&nbsp; She sure isn't qualified IMHO.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Jan 2010 at 7:41pm<br /><br />I think that was the idea of the "plans" to lower the emphasis on spending on the elderly&nbsp; and concentrate more on the youngsters.&nbsp; Of course if I were an insurer I'd luv to just insure 20 somethings and ignore the 60+ crowd.&nbsp; ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Jan 2010 at 2:51pm<br /><br />Heck...why doesn't the gov just make it illegal to get sick or injured?&nbsp; That would solve so many problems.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Jan 2010 at 4:01am<br /><br />Pretty soon it will be illegal for them to leave Medicare.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Jan 2010 at 3:36am<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/opini&#111;n/2010/01/14/c-l-gray-medicare-doctors-deserting-obama/" target="_blank">FOXNews.com - Why Doctors Are Abandoning Medicare</a><br><br>Also interesting. Fits though with even local doctors. <br><br>&nbsp;Interesting fact about the fraud findings. The government sponsored audit business who accused a physicians group of fraud for billing for&nbsp; a "chemical stress test" on a man...instead of using the cheaper treadmill test.&nbsp; Real hard to do a treadmill test when you're a double amputee with no legs.&nbsp; <br><br>No doubt there's massive fraud and overcharges. But...Obama &amp; Friends sure seem to be doing a fine job of killing the incentive to succeed in the United States.&nbsp; Excessive "greed" as Obama keeps calling it may be bad, but not nearly as bad as a government trying to make life "fair".&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Jan 2010 at 3:26am<br /><br />Hm. An interesting observation that I hadn't read before:<br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/opini&#111;n/2010/01/13/ken-klukowski-tenth-amendment-democrat/" target="_blank">FOXNews.com - An Obamacare Shocker</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Jan 2010 at 11:57pm<br /><br />Cadillac evasion, Lousiana Purchase, Cornhusker Kickback and probably many more under the table and back room and behind closed doors deals.&nbsp; How sleazy and Chicago like deals will happen to get this sorry excuse for a governmental takeover of our "choice" lifestyle will it take?&nbsp; It would be so good if Brown in Mass. would win and expose the chicanery of the Mass. politics and maybe even throw this thing off track.&nbsp; (And if he can get by all the delaying tactics by the Mass. political machine so he wouldn't be a factor in the vote)&nbsp; Bull stuff!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Jan 2010 at 2:32pm<br /><br />This fish is really starting to stink. Needs burying bad!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Jan 2010 at 10:50am<br /><br /><P>Union members will be exempt.</P><P><a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/business/20100114_ap_apsourcestentativedeal&#111;nhealthbilltax.html" target="_blank">AP Sources: Tentative deal on health bill tax</a></P><P>So much for equal treatment under the law.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Jan 2010 at 9:01am<br /><br />I KNEW this was gonna happen: <a href="http://article.nati&#111;nalreview.com/?q=NjZlYzRkNDc2MjkwNTEwM2Q3NTNjNTY0NzZmYWUwOGI=" target="_blank">Cadillac Tax Evasion</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Jan 2010 at 4:17pm<br /><br />Ref Bloomberg:&nbsp; But he is, IMHO, the future politician in our future government.&nbsp; Probably no happy ending to this modern day Dickens tale I'm afraid.&nbsp; The gov is going to pay for our health care...they're going to call the shots.]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : Well yeah...it&amp;#039;s going to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Jan 2010 at 4:16pm<br /><br />Well yeah...it's going to be cheaper for everybody except the rich folk.&nbsp; And eventually they will become the taxed-poor poor folk and will be blessed like us.]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : They keep talking about &amp;#039;paying...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Jan 2010 at 5:20am<br /><br /><P>They keep talking about 'paying for it'. I thought it was gonna be cheaper and we'd be saving money so I was looking for a refund. What's up with that?</P><P><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601202&amp;sid=aJndoHAeS8mM" target="_blank">Rangel Says House Considers Capital Gains Tax for Health Plan</a></P>]]>
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   <title>Coming changes in health care : &#194;&#160;Bloomberg is a chump.   </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Jan 2010 at 4:11am<br /><br /> Bloomberg is a chump.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Jan 2010 at 3:39am<br /><br />Uh huh....<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/12/war-unemployment-deficits-salt-new-york-mayor-wants-serving-reducti&#111;ns/?test=latestnews" target="_blank">salt</a>...it's what's bad for you.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Jan 2010 at 9:07am<br /><br />Oh my goodness....yes that's him...<a href="http://www.sobelmedia.com/wp-c&#111;ntent/uploads/2009/04/ellis.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.sobelmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ellis.jpg</a><br><br>I kept praying that O'Reilly would slap him silly.&nbsp; Such a jerk. Not nice...but true.&nbsp; I don't think he ever answered a question except by asking questions or making accusations of his own.&nbsp; His defense of abuses and lies by Obama...was to say that it's OK because it's not nearly as bad as the abuses or lies by certain conservatives.&nbsp; Such a twit.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Jan 2010 at 7:59am<br /><br />Karl - That liberal white haired guy is probably Ellis Hennican (sp?).&nbsp; I cringe every time he makes an appearance.&nbsp; I dunno, just something about him (on top of his viewpoint) that turns me off.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Jan 2010 at 6:43am<br /><br />Our Uncle Sam is not only generous, he's rich!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Jan 2010 at 6:38am<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/09/schwarzenegger-calls-health-care-rip/" target="_blank"> Schwarzenegger Calls Health Care Bill a 'Rip-Off'</a><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Schwarzenegger says giving extra Medicaid benefits to Nebraska to secure Nelson's vote, critical to Senate passage of the measure, was "like buying a vote." In Sacramento, he says, "it is illegal to do that, to buy votes."</td></tr></table><br><br>Don't know who the source was...just a fast blurb on the radio yesterday about these special deals.&nbsp; Some member(s) of Congress now say those special deals are just fine and dandy...but just need to be expanded to apply to all 50 States.&nbsp; Whew...that's a relief.&nbsp; I'm sure glad the Federal Government is going to start paying for everything themselves. Can't wait till nobody has to pay taxes anymore.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley13.gif" border="0" alt="Disapprove" title="Disapprove" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Jan 2010 at 8:28am<br /><br />Wish I could find a clip or transcript from the part of O'Reilly that I caught last night.&nbsp; Some liberal guy, white hair, and talking about Obama's "transparency" pledge.&nbsp; The lib was a twin of the guy at work I've mentioned before.&nbsp; O'Reilly asked him one question...about Obama's transparency on C-Span promises.&nbsp; The lib never did answer...except with one question after another of his own, e.g., what about Bush and that, what about the conservative promises about that...etc etc. &nbsp; <br><br><br>More Obama promises:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU</a><br><br>Oh well...what can I say that Three Dog Night hasn't already said...<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq5_pEO8a8U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq5_pEO8a8U</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Jan 2010 at 7:54am<br /><br />Youtube video<br><br>C-SPAN transparency 8 lies.&nbsp; (But as Peloslie said...Well, Obama was for a lot of things during the campaign....<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OD9Fov2_Us" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OD9Fov2_Us</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Jan 2010 at 7:29am<br /><br />I'm sure it's an evil brew.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2010 at 12:38pm<br /><br />And who knows what all they are cooking up...behind closed doors. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Jan 2010 at 8:50am<br /><br /><P><a href="http://www.frem&#111;nttribune.com/articles/2010/01/07/news/local/doc4b44af1b90306516425283.txt" target="_blank">Nelson: We should have waited on health care</a></P><P>Sorry Ben but you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube and you can't unring the bell.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Jan 2010 at 2:39pm<br /><br />Yep.<a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/varv01062010a20100106020328.jpg" target="_blank"> Transparency</a>. Love it.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Jan 2010 at 4:09am<br /><br />Obesity. The next agenda under the government health care system...once us evil smokers are pertnear finished off...<br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100106/ap_&#111;n_he_me/us_med_obesity_m&#111;nitors" target="_blank">Fight against fat goes high-tech with new devices </a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jan 2010 at 7:00am<br /><br />One inequity at a time.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jan 2010 at 6:58am<br /><br /><P>Here's what I don't get.</P><P>"To fix health care inequities"</P><P>Why not fix food inequities? Or housing inequities? Or automobile inequities?</P><P>I mean lack of any of those could kill you before health care inequities, right? No food and you're dead in a week. Living outside in a harsh climate could kill you overnight. A car inequity might not kill you, but it sure might keep you from having a better job.</P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jan 2010 at 6:40am<br /><br />No solutions here. And not trying to put needy folks down.&nbsp; Guess I've spent too long in a "God helps those who helps themselves" area. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Jan 2010 at 6:38am<br /><br />An interesting story from many aspects that I read someplace yesterday.<br><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nati&#111;nworld/nati&#111;n/wire/sns-ap-us-patients-and-fortitude-abridged,0,5866039,full.story" target="_blank">An expedition ventures into the health care jungle - without leaving America's backyard</a><br><br>Interesting in that it includes some remarks not usually seen in a feel-good story like this. Like a good many with bad teeth drink lots of soda...up to a half-dozen a day.&nbsp; (Saw a story a month or two ago about this area being nicknamed the "Mountain Dew" zone.)<br><br>And it mentioned a doctor noticing folks who can't afford medicine, still have their smokes....which cost more per pack than Walmart's $4 a month prescriptions.&nbsp; <br><br>I'm sure that gov't controlled health care will solve all that.&nbsp; Sigh.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Dec 2009 at 7:30am<br /><br />I was hoping that would come into play.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Dec 2009 at 8:26pm<br /><br />Hm. Might get interesting.<br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/30/republican-attorney-generals-threaten-lawsuit-health-care/" target="_blank"> 13 Republican Attorney Generals Threaten Lawsuit Over Health Care</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Dec 2009 at 4:59pm<br /><br /><P>Guess the citizens of Nebraska don't appreciate old Ben.</P><P><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704152804574628591826272498.html" target="_blank">Ben Nelson's Purgatory</a></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">A new Rasmussen Reports poll shows that if he were running for re-election today, Mr. Nelson would lose to Nebraska's GOP Governor David Heineman by a stunning 61% to 30%. Only three years ago, Mr. Nelson won his current term with a solid 64% of the vote.</td></tr></table></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Dec 2009 at 1:10pm<br /><br /><P><a href="http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2009/12/29/baucus-lamely-claims-he-wasnt-loaded" target="_blank">Baucus Lamely Claims He Wasn't Loaded</a></P><P>I swear to drunk I'm not God.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Dec 2009 at 12:16pm<br /><br />That's what I'd figure....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Dec 2009 at 12:11pm<br /><br />Drunk on our dime no doubt.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Dec 2009 at 11:34am<br /><br />Too much eggnog maybe?<br><br>A couple of good editorial cartoons.<br><br><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/tmdsu09122620091229125739.jpg" target="_blank">http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/tmdsu09122620091229125739.jpg</a><br><br>and<br><br><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz122609dAPR20091228100118.jpg" target="_blank">http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz122609dAPR20091228100118.jpg</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Dec 2009 at 11:49am<br /><br /><P>Well that explains a lot.</P><P><a href="http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2009/12/28/max-baucus-drunk-during-health-care-debate" target="_blank">Max Baucus Drunk During Health Care Debate</a></P><P>If he's not he's missing a good bet.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Dec 2009 at 10:18pm<br /><br />LOL!&nbsp; Thanks for the warning.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Dec 2009 at 7:21am<br /><br /><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz122409dAPR20091224090733.jpg" target="_blank">Another Ramirez politician cartoon</a>. Might be best not to be drinking anything &nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Dec 2009 at 5:40am<br /><br />Ah...I read too fast and thought, wow...another trillion.&nbsp; Yeah...what's a billion these days....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Dec 2009 at 5:32am<br /><br /><P>It's not even a billion.</P><P>Chump change.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Dec 2009 at 4:15pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Don Watkins</strong></em><br /><br />DeMint for President.<p><a href="http://www.redstate.com/index.php?tag=obamacare" target="_blank">The Best Christmas Present Ever: Senator DeMint Objects to the Appointment of the Conferees</a></p><p>Read for the details of what this means. Very clever!</td></tr></table></p><p>heh, heh... Maybe the career politicians still know a thing or two about how things work in Washington.<br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Dec 2009 at 2:21pm<br /><br /><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/varv12242009a20091224122754.jpg" target="_blank">Scary.</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Dec 2009 at 2:20pm<br /><br />"Play dead"?&nbsp; I don't think they're playing, they've died Jim!<br><br>And then there is <a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/12-21-09herdingRGB20091223042713.jpg" target="_blank">this</a>.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Dec 2009 at 12:12pm<br /><br /><P>DeMint for President.</P><P><a href="http://www.redstate.com/index.php?tag=obamacare" target="_blank">The Best Christmas Present Ever: Senator DeMint Objects to the Appointment of the Conferees</a></P><P>Read for the details of what this means. Very clever!</P><P>Personally I would have required the reading of the full bill which, as I understand it, any Senator, can demand before debate.</P><P>I don't think it can be overridden.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Dec 2009 at 6:30am<br /><br />They all gave in to Darth Obama...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Dec 2009 at 6:15am<br /><br /><P>It's passed.</P><P>60 to 39 (I think Bunting was the only one that didn't vote). No republican voted for it.</P><P>BTW Liberman went over to the dark side.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 9:41pm<br /><br />Actually, there was a very simple explanation I ran across this evening that explained all the deals very simply...and believably: prostitution has been legalized in D.C.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 6:16pm<br /><br />BTW...are there any sane politicians from California?&nbsp; I swear every time I read some stupid comment like that...it's from somebody from California!&nbsp; I really have come to dislike that state.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 6:14pm<br /><br />That's interesting about the AMA. I'd "assumed" that membership was mandatory to be a doc...like being a member of the ABA for lawyers.&nbsp; <br><br>I know docs around here are not happy about it at all.<br><br>Neither is our employer. We had our Christmas dinner this noon. He (the owner) always gives a quick run down of how things are looking up or down.&nbsp; Right now they are looking better than at this time last year. So he is grateful for our current blessings. But he's sure concerned about the ill effects that Obamacare may have on the business and on consumer spending.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 3:58pm<br /><br /><P>Well, we've got it.</P><P>What I figured.</P><P><a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/public/c&#111;ntent/article.aspx?RsrcID=58937" target="_blank">Sen. Feinstein 'Assumes' Commerce Clause Gives Congress Unlimited Authority to Mandate Health Insurance</A></P><P>Pity the SCOTUS didn't take that assumption out and hammer a steak in it's heart. It renders the Constitution worthless.</P><P>I might add that this is actually funny since health insurance was one of the few things that was not allowed to engage in interstate commerce being limited to a single state.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 3:38pm<br /><br />Nor is mine.&nbsp; I questioned him sometime ago about a Dr. he had referred me to for some forgotten thing saying I had checked on him and that he wasn't a member of the AMA.&nbsp; He educated me at that time.&nbsp; ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 3:34pm<br /><br />My doctors isn't a member of the AMA and he's scared spitless of all this as he still has school bills he is paying.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 3:33pm<br /><br />Another thing that always bugs me is when it's said something like ...&nbsp;This bill is backed by the AMA.&nbsp;&nbsp; I quote "In fact, the AMA represents less than 1/3 of America's physicians and half of those are retired."&nbsp; That taken from this article&nbsp; <a href="http://yubanet.com/opini&#111;ns/Doctors-The-AMA-Does-Not-Represent-Us.php" target="_blank">http://yubanet.com/opinions/Doctors-The-AMA-Does-Not-Represent-Us.php</A>&nbsp; It is always said like "Hey, the doctors are with us, so you should be also."&nbsp; Total deception because I'll bet most citizens think when you say AMA you mean all doctors.&nbsp; Totally not true.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 1:30pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Bob</strong></em><br /><br />These "sweet deals" are so "In yer face"!&nbsp; And Harry Reid says "Hey, that's just normal negotiation in congress".&nbsp; Ho ho .... these things are gonna come back and bite the dems in the butt come next fall.&nbsp; At least I hope so.</td></tr></table><br><br>Might depend. Folks seem to like the re-writing of the Constitution:<br><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz122309dAPR20091223031844.jpg" target="_blank">http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz122309dAPR20091223031844.jpg</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 10:01am<br /><br />Our forecast rain hasn't developed, don't think it is. Windy however, gusts to 25.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 7:48am<br /><br />These "sweet deals" are so "In yer face"!&nbsp; And Harry Reid says "Hey, that's just normal negotiation in congress".&nbsp; Ho ho .... these things are gonna come back and bite the dems in the butt come next fall.&nbsp; At least I hope so.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 5:25am<br /><br />It will be interesting to see what their legal reasoning is as I'm not seeing it.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 5:15am<br /><br />I was thinking along those lines that maybe the Nebraska maneuver will run it into a ditch.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 4:41am<br /><br /><P>Seems like we're all being run over.</P><P>I doubt it will go anywhere but someone is showing some fight.</P><P><a href="http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/12/texas-attorney-general-challen.html" target="_blank">Texas attorney general challenges Senate health bill over "Nebraska compromise"</a></P><P>I expect that state nullification will be the only thing that stops this.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 4:18am<br /><br />Obama folks should be getting used to getting thrown under one by now...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 4:06am<br /><br />And a tractor-trailer that runs over you to boot.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Dec 2009 at 3:33am<br /><br />Some interesting points in here about the "special deals" (pretty soon...every state is going to want the same special deals:<br><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/MichaelGers&#111;n/2009/12/23/public_policy_as_public_corrupti&#111;n?page=full&amp;comments=true" target="_blank">Michael Gerson : Public Policy as Public Corruption</a><br><br>It's not a great write...but the lead-in tickled me:<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Sometimes there is a fine ethical line between legislative maneuveringand bribery. At other times, that line is crossed by a speeding,honking tractor-trailer, with outlines of shapely women on mud flapsbouncing as it rumbles past.&#091;</td></tr></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Dec 2009 at 3:13pm<br /><br />Double checked and you are absolutely right, it's only for 10 years.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Dec 2009 at 3:06pm<br /><br />Hm. I thought that was just for the next decade @ 10 mil a year. Maybe I read wrong.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Dec 2009 at 4:22am<br /><br />$100 million for Nebraska? Foo on that, it's for FOREVER, maybe $100 million for x years but it's never ending.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Dec 2009 at 3:35am<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091222/ap_&#111;n_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091222/ap_&#111;n_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul" target="_blank">Senate gears for second critical health vote</a><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><br><p>The outcome of the vote to overcome GOP opposition to the 2,074-page legislation is preordained. <span style="cursor: pointer;" id="lw_1261469077_2">Majority Leader Harry Reid</span>,D-Nev., has herded 58 Democrats and two independents into line througha combination of wheedling, cajoling and dispensing special deals. Thestrategy has Republicans irate but Reid makes no apologies.</p>                <p><u>"Idon't know if there's a senator that doesn't have something in thisbill that was important to them, and if they don't have something in itimportant to them, then it doesn't speak well of them," Reid saidMonday.</u></p>                <p>Examples include $100 million to pay the full cost of a Medicaid expansion in Nebraska — home to <span style="cursor: pointer;" id="lw_1261469077_3">Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson</span>, the crucial 60th vote for the bill. Another concession, sought by <span id="lw_1261469077_4">Sen. Bill Nelson</span>, D-Fla., exempts roughly 800,000 seniors in <span style="cursor: pointer;" id="lw_1261469077_5">Florida</span> from potential benefit cuts by private <span style="cursor: pointer;" id="lw_1261469077_6">Medicare Advantage plans</span>.</td></tr></table></p><p>And I think it speaks ill of them that they do.&nbsp; <br></p><p><br></p>A local paper story on Sunday says our Senator Bayh is pretty well toast in the Senate, as far as having much of a future.&nbsp; He voted for the Health Care Bill...but has bucked the overall liberal trend so much and so often that he's in the outhouse big time. (And he did not get any special deals for his home state.)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Dec 2009 at 7:40pm<br /><br />Caught part of Chris Wallace tonight. Interesting. Much was about health care. All I could think after listening to a lot of supporters was, yep..."the devil <u><i>is</i></u> in the details".&nbsp; <br><br>What got me the most were the defenders of Obama...how he's kept his campaign promises about transparency, a new way of doing things...no more politics as usual.&nbsp; Man...these folks should be choking to death on the explanations they come up with.<br><br>McCain was on a bit.&nbsp; I think he's asking too much of Obama. He said he thinks Obama, after many disasters, is finding out it is more important to be respected than it is to be loved.&nbsp; I don't think so. I think Obama is perplexed why the whole world doesn't love, adore and follow him.<br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Dec 2009 at 2:12pm<br /><br />It's good to be king, especially when you can hose over the serfs and when they wise up you can retire like a....king.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Dec 2009 at 12:58pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/20/nels&#111;n-accused-selling-vote-health-nebraska-pay/" target="_blank">FOXNews.com - Nelson Accused of Selling Vote on Health Bill for Nebraska Pay-Off</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Dec 2009 at 12:42pm<br /><br /><a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/comics/frazz.html" target="_blank">Frazz</a> (comic). <u>Dec <b>20</b>.<br><br></u>This might explain why, even though we know better, we believe so much of the stuff that politicians spew forth. LOL<u><br></u>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Dec 2009 at 10:16am<br /><br /><P>Yup, anything they like. But we elected them.</P><P>Ya know, I keep thinking that maybe this thing could be pulled back but I suspect it's like anything else, once the camels nose is under the tent he's gonna come in, no matter what.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Dec 2009 at 8:36am<br /><br />Perhaps they don't understand "uniform"??<br><br>They have certainly corrupted the meaning of "general welfare" to mean any <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif" border="0" alt="Censored" title="Censored" /> thing they feel like doing.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Dec 2009 at 5:36am<br /><br /><P>Sigh, bears repeating:</P><P>Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;<BR><BR>To borrow money on the credit of the United States;<BR><BR>To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;<BR><BR>To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;<BR><BR>To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;<BR><BR>To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;<BR><BR>To establish post offices and post roads;<BR><BR>To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;<BR><BR>To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;<BR><BR>To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;<BR><BR>To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;<BR><BR>To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;<BR><BR>To provide and maintain a navy;<BR><BR>To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;<BR><BR>To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;<BR><BR>To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;<BR><BR>To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And<BR><BR>To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.<BR><BR>Amendment X<BR><BR>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.<BR></P><P>Guess this is a document they don't have access to in DC.</P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Dec 2009 at 3:10pm<br /><br /><P>Except we won't have two nickels to rub together after they're finished.</P><P><a href="http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/19/sen-nels&#111;ns-bribe/" target="_blank">SOLD: Sen. Nelson’s Bribe</a></P><P>Seems we're all paying for Nebraska's Medicare for now and forevermore.</P><P>We am so generous.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Dec 2009 at 1:43pm<br /><br />Yep.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Dec 2009 at 1:30pm<br /><br />Everybody should send Nelson 30 nickels.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Dec 2009 at 10:02am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Karl_db</strong></em><br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091217/ap_&#111;n_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul" target="_blank">Holdout Sen. Nelson rejects abortion compromise - Yahoo! News</a><br><br>It would be nice to see one politician stand his/her ground and not sell out.&nbsp; <br></td></tr></table><br><br>Looks like they all have their price:<br><a href="http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1209/Ben_Nels&#111;ns_Medicaid_deal.html" target="_blank">Ben Nelson's Medicaid deal - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com</a><br><br>(Note: Oops. Sorry about the Global Warming link being in the wrong thread. Sigh. So many tabs, so little mind...)<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Dec 2009 at 9:09am<br /><br />He's correct.&nbsp; Some other things have also become a "religion" IMHO...like "science" and government provided and approved lifestyles.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Dec 2009 at 7:18am<br /><br />I like the way that fellow thinks!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Dec 2009 at 6:46am<br /><br />President Klaus did a good job in cutting to the chase on globull warming in that interview.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Dec 2009 at 4:19am<br /><br />I continue to find it interesting that the former Soviet satellites are the ones that respect freedom the most.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Dec 2009 at 4:16am<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2009/12/18/czech-president-klaus-global-warming-science-new-religi&#111;n/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fscitech+%2528FOXNews.com+-+SciTech%2529" target="_blank">FOXNews.com - Czech President Klaus: Global Warming Not Science, but a 'New Religion'</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Dec 2009 at 11:25pm<br /><br />Franken is a joke ..... a bad joke.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Dec 2009 at 4:26pm<br /><br />I was afraid that Franken sat on Lieberman.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Dec 2009 at 4:21pm<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091217/ap_&#111;n_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul" target="_blank">Holdout Sen. Nelson rejects abortion compromise - Yahoo! News</a><br><br>It would be nice to see one politician stand his/her ground and not sell out.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Dec 2009 at 4:19pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/wp-dyn/c&#111;ntent/article/2009/12/15/AR2009121504196.html?hpid=topnews" target="_blank">President Obama writes a new health reform prescription - washingtonpost.com</a><br><br>This is about Obama going back on his campaign promise to take on the drug companies. He wasn't going to let U.S. citizens pay up to 10 times as much as Europeans and Canadians for the same drugs.<br><br>Oh...I read an article the other day about the difference in price. I can try and find it if anybody wishes. Basically it answered the question of "why" we get to pay so much more.&nbsp; (Aside from the fact we're stupid.....LOL).&nbsp; According to that story...Europe and Canada have some law that new drugs must be sold within two (2) years in their countries...or they lose their patent(?). (Is patent right for drugs?)&nbsp; So...U.S. companies can't sell drugs without their approval. And they can only sell them at their governments approved price.&nbsp; If they don't agree...and don't sell their drugs...in two years their patent(s) in foreign companies expires....and then it's open season for their own companies to make it.&nbsp; <br><br>Hm. Hope that makes sense.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Dec 2009 at 7:54pm<br /><br />Post. Close to Lubbock, so a little ways from you all. It was in the big city Sunday paper yesterday. Rather interesting with a Obamacare relationship.<br><br><a href="http://www.amarillo.com/stories/120609/new_news15.shtml" target="_blank">Amarillo.com | Local News: For Texas doctor, reform means concern 12/06/09</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Dec 2009 at 4:25am<br /><br /><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sbr120309dAPR20091204024744.jpg" target="_blank">http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sbr120309dAPR20091204024744.jpg</a><br><br>I'm in this political cartoon someplace.&nbsp; Somewhere between the two and so small that I'm impossible to see. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Nov 2009 at 10:08am<br /><br />No guarantee...<br><a href="http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/secti&#111;n?template=zoom&amp;Site=U0&amp;Date=20091125&amp;Category=GPG0601&amp;ArtNo=91124105&amp;Ref=AR&amp;Profile=1272" target="_blank">http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&amp;Site=U0&amp;Date=20091125&amp;Category=GPG0601&amp;ArtNo=91124105&amp;Ref=AR&amp;Profile=1272</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Nov 2009 at 9:45am<br /><br />Todays big city paper has an editorial by Eugene Robinson, far far left writer for the Washington Post.<br>I love it.<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The purloined e-mail correspondence published by skeptics last week ..... does not prove that global warming is a fraud...<br>If I'm wrong, somebody ought to tell the polar ice caps that they're free to stop melting.</td></tr></table><br><br>The best part....don't let facts get in the way now Gene....<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">In one message sent to a long list of colleagues, Jones speaks of having completed a "trick" with recent temperature data to "hide the decline." The word "trick" is hardly a smoking gun -- scientists use it to refer to clever but perfectly legitimate ways of handling data.</td></tr></table>&nbsp; <br><br>Sometimes it's a wonder I don't barf on my keyboard while reading this stuff.<br><br>Some interesting stuff in here, though I soon got lost in the grey:<br><a href="http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17311" target="_blank">Open letter to Eugene Robinson, The Washington Post</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Nov 2009 at 5:29am<br /><br /><P>Of course it's great, it's not five years ago.</P><P><a href="http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-15792038.html" target="_blank">October 21, 2004 - Kerry points to Bush on vaccine shortage</a></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">As public health officials scramble to find more flu vaccine and experts debate how to increase the U.S. supply, Sen. John Kerry hopes voters will come to one conclusion: The severe shortage the United States now faces is President Bush's fault.</td></tr></table></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Nov 2009 at 4:51pm<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091128/ap_&#111;n_he_me/us_health_overhaul_q_a_c&#111;nsumers" target="_blank">Understanding the pros and cons of health overhaul - Yahoo! News</a><br><br>Doesn't sound all that great to me.&nbsp; Those folks who pay into it but now have it through their employer....we'll get paid more right? LOL<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Nov 2009 at 1:18pm<br /><br />Or, being a politician...he could get back into a hug and kiss fest with the Democratic Party by supporting it. Not saying he will...be he is a politician. (And I even kinda like him. Not that I agree with a lot of his views...but at least he shows an independent streak...)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Nov 2009 at 7:51am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonWatkins</strong></em><br /><br />... but I dunno, maybe it's payback time.</td></tr></table><br>Sure looks like Lieberman will be able to butcher the Dems during the coming elections who signed on to this "health care" bill, if he gets "air" time.&nbsp; I'm guessing there are some conservatives that just might buy it for him.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Nov 2009 at 4:14am<br /><br /><P>Sadly I think he's about right.</P><P>Heck, if you think about how much we've tanked in just the last 20, no 10 years it's downright horrifying.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Nov 2009 at 9:33pm<br /><br /><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/CalThomas/2009/11/24/ussa?page=full&amp;comments=true" target="_blank">Cal Thomas : U.S.S.A. - Townhall.com</a><br><br>Gee...and some folks think I have a rather pessimistic view...<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Nov 2009 at 4:46pm<br /><br />They say that revenge is a dish best eaten cold but I wouldn't know, the only kind I get is immediate....forget that sitting on the bank of the river watching the bodies of your enemies float by, I'm the one that turns them into floaters.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Nov 2009 at 4:41pm<br /><br />Interesting theory. Two years a long time? Dunno...he's Jewish.&nbsp; They waited a few thousand years to return to their homeland.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Nov 2009 at 10:30am<br /><br /><P>I wouldn't have waited two years....I'd of gone nuclear on them the second the election was over.</P><P>But then that's me (grin).</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Nov 2009 at 10:26am<br /><br />Well, his "buds" in democratic party suits didn't stand up for him last election so I can believe the story.&nbsp; I'd probably do the same thing under the circumstances.&nbsp; I've always liked Lieberman even if he was a democrat.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Nov 2009 at 8:21am<br /><br /><P>Stock up on popcorn.</P><P><a href="http://www.collinsreport.net/2009/11/24/analyses-joe-lieberman-said-“yes”-to-reid’s-saturday-night-massacre-bill-but/" target="_blank">Analyses: Joe Lieberman said “yes” to Reid’s Saturday night massacre bill, but who was massacred?</a></P><P>I don't know if Lieberman is that vicious, seems like most of those fellows, regardless of where they stand, pretty much try to provide cover for each other but I dunno, maybe it's payback time.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Nov 2009 at 5:21am<br /><br />....till the voters realize they can vote money for themselves out of the public treasury.&nbsp; (Something like that.)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Nov 2009 at 4:49am<br /><br />Now we know what Landrieu is, now it's just a matter of nailing down how much she costs.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Nov 2009 at 4:37am<br /><br />Looks like the debate moves on in the Senate after last evenings vote.&nbsp; At least now we know how much a vote costs in the senate: $100 Million (or $300M depending on whom you believe).&nbsp; How noble of the Louisiana senator to change her mind...which had nothing to do with the handout which goes to her home state.&nbsp; Oh...that's right...the bill doesn't specifically mention Louisiana. It's for areas with certain natural disasters that have happened in the last seven years...of which only her states meets the requirements.<br><br>But...her state is poorer than poor she says and she's not ashamed of asking for help. Government handout today. Government handout forever. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Nov 2009 at 2:46pm<br /><br />A coincidence is too much of a coincidence when the gov is involved, IMHO.&nbsp; ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Nov 2009 at 8:05am<br /><br />Can't help but believe this is a preview of things to come if the guvmnt&nbsp; gets its hands on health care.<br>&nbsp; Coincidence or not.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Nov 2009 at 5:07am<br /><br /><P>Here we go again.</P><P><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091120/ap_&#111;n_he_me/us_med_fewer_pap_smears" target="_blank">Report: 20-somethings can go 2 years between Paps</a></P><P>Ya know, some of these recommendations may be correct but at this point these panels have so little credibility that people wouldn't believe them if they reported the sky was blue.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Nov 2009 at 2:24pm<br /><br />That would be a pretty good trick..to read that all in one day...just once. Must be going to hire that guy that used to do the FedEx(?) commericals...the SuperSuper Fast Talker.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Nov 2009 at 11:20am<br /><br /><P>This would be a good idea for all new stuff.</P><P><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;ntimes.com/news/2009/nov/19/health-bill-could-get-34-hour-reading-senate/" target="_blank">Health bill could get 34-hour reading in Senate</a></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">What's even more interesting is that Senate Rule XIV (paragraph 2) states that every bill and joint resolution "shall receive three readings prior to its passage." <BR><BR>"Upon demand of a senator, these readings shall be on three different legislative days," the rules say.</td></tr></table><BR>If I were King I'd make a rule that all Senators who were going to vote on a bill had to be there for the entire reading or they couldn't vote on it.<BR></P><P>It'd certainly result in more laws that were more to the point.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Nov 2009 at 5:02pm<br /><br />How to pay for health care? Poll says, "<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091117/ap_&#111;n_bi_ge/us_ap_poll_health_taxes;_ylt=ApLRwVmSUCJTeIVePTC0WXMDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTJ0b2RvbWcwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTE3L3VzX2FwX3BvbGxfaGVhbHRoX3RheGVzBHBvcwMxNARzZWMDeW5fYXJ0aWNsZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA2FwcG9sbGhvd3RvcA--" target="_blank">Let the rich pay for it</a>."<br>I sure pray we never run out of rich folks...<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Nov 2009 at 4:44pm<br /><br />Maybe that means my family doc won't ask to check my prostrate every visit. Sometimes I swear he's....happy.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0" alt="T&#111;ngue" title="T&#111;ngue" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Nov 2009 at 3:27pm<br /><br />I expect there will be more things like that coming down if this happens. PSA tests and the like.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Nov 2009 at 2:27pm<br /><br />I bet there's a whole bunch of women not very impressed with the gov over this.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Nov 2009 at 4:06am<br /><br /><P>Everything you know is wrong.</P><P>Sheesh, I wish they'd make up their minds.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 Nov 2009 at 4:02am<br /><br />A prelude?<br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575371,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575371,00.html</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Nov 2009 at 4:06pm<br /><br />Great!<br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091114/ap_&#111;n_bi_ge/us_medicare_fraud" target="_blank">Govt: Medicare paid $47 billion in suspect claims </a><br><br>Yep. Sure want the gov handling all of health care. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Nov 2009 at 3:38pm<br /><br /><P>Pretty amazing.</P><P>An aside about the therapy. I don't know about other states but when we were in California I knew someone that was about to get licensed. They'd been educated and had passed all their requirements years before but the state limits the number so they had to wait in line for other people to retire/die/etc. so the state was fixing the amount of them available and thus driving up the costs. I think the same is true for the number of medical students allowed into school which is why so many people end up going to med school in weird places (Granada for instance, that's why we sent in the Marines, to save US students going to med school there).</P><P>Go figure.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Nov 2009 at 2:54pm<br /><br />Amazing indeed!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Nov 2009 at 2:36pm<br /><br />Oh....an interesting thing...though not about Obamacare.&nbsp; Did you know when they do heart surgery like his...they actually drain all the blood from the body?&nbsp; Then chill them down. Although he was in surgery for about 16 hours, the actual heart part was only 17 minutes...during which he was technically dead. No blood. No pulse. Just an iced down body.&nbsp; Brrr. Amazing.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Nov 2009 at 2:34pm<br /><br />We chatted a bit over at a friends house the other night about Obamacare. (The fellow I mentioned who had an aneurysm the size of a baseball on his aorta.)<br><br>They are amazed at what doctors do and what all they must know to do it. And they are very conservative types. And also a good example of why Obamacare is attractive to lots of people. You never know why these places charge as much as they do...all you see are the results.&nbsp; Which makes people think that hospitals and such are really ripping people off.<br><br>Like a prescription pill that he took before going in the hospital. They couldn't bring their own medicine to the hospital...the hospital provides it if needed. <br><br>Costs him $30 for a 30 day supply at the local pharmacy. The hospital charged $5.61...per pill.<br><br>And he had a therapy guy after surgery. All he had to do was watch him walk up and down the hall for 10 minutes a day; $174 for each 10 minute session.&nbsp; And he was usually doing more than one patient at a time.&nbsp; <br><br>They had a ton of stories about cost. And they acknowledged they don't know all the details about health care, insurance and costs (like hospitals charging extra to pay for those who can't pay at all.)&nbsp; Not sure what type of coverage they have...they are both around 70. They just mentioned that even if they had something like a standard 80/20 policy....they be in&nbsp; deep Kimchi. They just got the hospital bill....."just" the hospital itself....12 days....$359,000.&nbsp; (He figures Obama would never authorize it under Obamacare...considering his age, a retired farmer, et al.)<br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Nov 2009 at 2:16pm<br /><br />Pretty good....reading 3,200 pages of a 1,900 page bill. Pooh!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Nov 2009 at 1:26pm<br /><br /><P>I hope she's got a good plastic surgeon and good insurance, she's gonna need a nose reduction big time.</P><P><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/67783-pelosi-says-she-read-all-of-the-health-bill" target="_blank">Pelosi says she read all of the health bill</a></P><P>In fact the doc might have to use a chain saw.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Nov 2009 at 2:22pm<br /><br />I thought about that again at work today.&nbsp; "Women's insurance choices".&nbsp; That's just a fancy PC way of saying abortion without using the "A" word.&nbsp; So he's going to make sure it doesn't either pay for nor restriction abortion.&nbsp; Does he think folks are as stupid as he talks?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Nov 2009 at 5:06am<br /><br /><P>Poor fella, chances are he's just one day closer to starting to stand in a line that never gets any shorter.</P><P>Wow, you're right about talking out of both sides of his mouth.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Nov 2009 at 4:06am<br /><br />We have one guy at work who is very excited.&nbsp; An OK guy and I don't know his history, but mentions health care every few weeks. Like yesterday.&nbsp; "Yes!! One day closer to Health Care!!!"&nbsp; Normally I don't say anything, but this time I did, "Yes!! One day closer to Obama being out of office!!!"&nbsp; <br><br>It sounds as if he has medical issues that would benefit from a national health care. Dunno. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Nov 2009 at 8:10pm<br /><br /><br>Huh?&nbsp; Say what?&nbsp; Didn't he just contradict himself in the same sentence???????<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">"I want to make sure that the provision that emerges meets that test —that <b>we are not in some way sneaking in funding for abortions, </b>but, onthe other hand, that<b> we're not restricting women's insurance choices</b>,"Obama said in an interview with ABC News.</td></tr></table><br><br>How many sides to his mouth does this guy have?!<br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Nov 2009 at 8:09pm<br /><br />Seems like the pro life Dems might support a filibuster with the Repubs.&nbsp; You think it might be enough?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Nov 2009 at 7:39pm<br /><br /><P>IF it passes the Senate it'll have to go back to conference to iron out the differences between the senate version and the house version.</P><P>The dangerous part is that when it comes out of conference it only requires a simple majority to pass and not the 60 (or is it 61) that it'll take in the Senate to pass the first time.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Nov 2009 at 7:09pm<br /><br />I'm confused. I thought it passed the House with the language already, so why does this pro abortion crowds matter now?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Nov 2009 at 6:57pm<br /><br />As I understand it...the Senate says they won't pass any health care bill with abortion restrictions.&nbsp; Now wait a minute...the health care bill never has funded abortions...that's what the liberals keep saying.&nbsp; Since it doesn't cover abortions...strange they are balking at straight simple language prohibiting something that isn't covered in the first place.&nbsp; Sorry suckers!!!!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Nov 2009 at 4:29pm<br /><br /><P>Inside the beltway civil war.</P><P><a href="http://spectator.org/blog/2009/11/09/report-41-dems-pledge-to-vote" target="_blank">Report: 41 Dems Pledge to Vote Against Bill With Pro-Life Amendment</a></P><P>By all accounts it wouldn't have passed Saturday without the pro-life amendment.</P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Nov 2009 at 10:02am<br /><br /><P>You gotta know that when they saw that they were going to cross the line they told a bunch of guys in shaky districts that they could vote against it.</P><P>Party over country.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Nov 2009 at 8:49am<br /><br />Hahaha - Job security over party loyalty!&nbsp; <DIV>Check this - "After months of thoroughly reviewing legislative proposals and speaking with constituents and stakeholders, I am not satisfied that this bill before us is a sustainable solution," said Rep. <a href="http://kratovil.house.gov/index.cfm?secti&#111;nid=22&amp;secti&#111;ntree=21,22&amp;itemid=215" target="_blank"><U>Frank Kratovil</U></A>, D-Md. Alert readers will remember that he was the congressman <a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/Rep_Kratovil_hung_in_effigy_by_health_care_protester_.html" target="_blank"><U>hung in effigy</U></A> during the height of the August town hall meeting uproar.&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>More like "After considering the&nbsp;fragile position of my re-election chances I think I better go with the crowd rather than pay attention to party loyalty.&nbsp; And "After months of <U>thoroughly reviewing</U> legislative proposals"&nbsp; .... Humbug, more like "after this last off year election results, I'm bolting!"</DIV><DIV><a href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/&#111;npolitics/2009/11/vulnerable-democratic-freshman-aband&#111;n-the-health-care-bill.html?csp=34" target="_blank">http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/11/vulnerable-democratic-freshman-abandon-the-health-care-bill.html?csp=34</A></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Nov 2009 at 8:16pm<br /><br />I see the House passed it.&nbsp; I haven't been able to watch much.&nbsp; Caught some news coverage yesterday...<u>before</u> the vote...with a smug Pelosi.&nbsp; And tonight something while I was channel surfing...a bunch of guys standing around her, making her blush (or smug with pride) as they heaped praises on her as the greatest speaker of the house ever.&nbsp; Good&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif" border="0" alt="Censored" title="Censored" /> another messiah.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Nov 2009 at 7:19pm<br /><br />I hope Joe can push it through to the MSM.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Nov 2009 at 5:28pm<br /><br />Do you think a lot of it (different opinion extremes) depends on an either/or of:<br>a. How much the person has had to use it and<br>b. If they could have had the treatment without the plan?<br><br><br>Joe has a good idea:<br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/04/wils&#111;n-proposes-forcing-c&#111;ngress-government-health-insurance-plan/" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/04/wilson-proposes-forcing-congress-government-health-insurance-plan/</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Nov 2009 at 9:03am<br /><br />I think I heard yesterday that Reid made a statement like "no healthreform bill this year".&nbsp; Not positive and I can't recall where I"think" I heard that.&nbsp; <br><br>Boy, you hear such extreme differences about the condition of healthcare in Canada ... depending upon who's talking.&nbsp; I just believe that asystem completely run by the gov't can't be efficient or better thanthe current system.&nbsp; Bureaucracy breeds inefficiency and a slow pace in most cases.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Nov 2009 at 6:14am<br /><br /><P>Some scary stuff in this. Yikes.</P><P><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/DickMorrisandEileenMcGann/2009/11/04/the_health_care_disaster_in_canada" target="_blank">The Health Care Disaster in Canada</a></P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Nov 2009 at 4:23am<br /><br /><P>No names but interesting that it comes from ABC.</P><P><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=8987651&amp;pid=4380645" target="_blank">Top Dems: No Health Care Bill in 2009</a></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Nov 2009 at 8:31am<br /><br />Crime does not pay, uh, crimes pays very well.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Nov 2009 at 8:21am<br /><br />Man....I gotta change jobs.&nbsp; Sounds like fraud management is the way to go...(not preventing...participating&nbsp;<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Nov 2009 at 7:55am<br /><br /><P>This stunned me. Talk about your "ongoing problems".</P><P><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/post_145.asp" target="_blank">Annual Medicare Fraud: $60 Billion; Annual Profits of Top Ten Insurance Companies: $8 billion</a></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Oct 2009 at 10:40pm<br /><br /><a href="http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/varv10302009a20091030020028.jpg" target="_blank">Trust Me</a><br><br>and<br><br><a href="http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/galleries/Holberts10_30%20carto&#111;n.jpg" target="_blank">Dr. Pelosi</a><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Oct 2009 at 6:32pm<br /><br />heehee...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Oct 2009 at 6:12pm<br /><br />Yep. That's Bayh:<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">"Our U.S. senator seems to always want to be in the middle of the road," said Rep. Charlie Brown, D-Gary. "And all of us know that if you stand in the middle of the road, you're going to get hit in the traffic going in both directions."</td></tr></table><br><br>He is a moderate.&nbsp; In some ways the ultimate politician in that he likes to wait and see which way the wind is blowing before he launches his kite.&nbsp; Better safe than sorry.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Oct 2009 at 2:54pm<br /><br /><P>Bye Bayh?</P><P><a href="http://www.theindychannel.com/politics/21480148/detail.html" target="_blank">Bayh Faces Discord Over Health Care Stance</a></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Oct 2009 at 7:06am<br /><br />Youtube video from yesterday(?).&nbsp; A pretty good summary of Obamacare by a Michigan Congressman.<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44NCvNDLfc&amp;feature=channel" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44NCvNDLfc&amp;feature=channel</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Oct 2009 at 6:21am<br /><br /><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/DickMorrisandEileenMcGann/2009/10/31/flu_shot_shortage_shows_government_incompetence" target="_blank">Dick Morris and Eileen McGann : Flu Shot Shortage Shows Government Incompetence </a><br><br>In short:&nbsp; Trust a government to manage all of Health Care...when they can't even deliver on flu shots to prevent a pandemic?&nbsp; Right!! (Maybe they hope the swine flu only attacks conservative radicals?)&nbsp; <br><br>Neither regular or swine flu shots are available locally.&nbsp; (Except for health care workers, etc.)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 Oct 2009 at 6:02am<br /><br />His writing style tickled me:<br><br><a href="http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi" target="_blank">David Harsanyi - Masterfleece Theater</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Oct 2009 at 3:09pm<br /><br />It's not the first case like this, nor (sadly) be the last.&nbsp; It's why almost any government "good intention" scares the (xxxx) out of me.&nbsp; Even programs with the most noble and best of intentions seem to get corrupted and expanded to cover things never imagined.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Oct 2009 at 6:52am<br /><br />Wow, that's some story. In addition to everything that the story talked about I kept thinking of what the legal costs have been and will be. Money that could otherwise have gone to providing health care....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Oct 2009 at 4:16am<br /><br />Bet it only gets worse under a public health care:<br><a href="http://www.worldmag.com/articles/16042" target="_blank">http://www.worldmag.com/articles/16042</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Oct 2009 at 7:25pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonWatkins</strong></em><br /><br /><p>Funny, after that this popped up.</p><p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/25/obama.carter.reagan/" target="_blank">Is it morning in America, or has hope given way to malaise?</a></p><p><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">(CNN) -- Nearly a year after the presidential election, the excitement of Barack Obama's campaign has faded into the reality of an Obama White House.</td></tr></table><br>It goes on to be maybe/maybe not but still....it's CNN for goodness sake.<br></p></td></tr></table><br><br>It's hard to believe it's a CNN write up.&nbsp; That's good news.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Oct 2009 at 5:36pm<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/10/the-doc-fix-p&#111;nzi-scheme-or-fair-pay-for-medicare-docs.html" target="_blank">The Doc Fix: “Ponzi scheme” or Fair Pay for Medicare Docs? - George's Bottom Line</a><br><br>A lot I may not understand, but I do understand this:<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">If Congress passes a special rule every year to undo previous attempts at Medicare restraint that cut doctor payments, what will stop them from cutting payments to other sectors of the health care economy?</td></tr></table>&nbsp; <br><br>The answer: nothing. There seems to be nothing anymore to stop Congress, in a losing game, from changing the rules in the middle of the game. <br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Oct 2009 at 4:40pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">To others, Obama has come to usher in a new understanding of the relationship between the government and the people.</td></tr></table><br><br>That is sooo scary.<br><br>So is comparing Obama to Reagan.&nbsp; Not even close and insulting to Reagan IMHO.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Oct 2009 at 11:57am<br /><br /><P>Funny, after that this popped up.</P><P><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/25/obama.carter.reagan/" target="_blank">Is it morning in America, or has hope given way to malaise?</a></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">(CNN) -- Nearly a year after the presidential election, the excitement of Barack Obama's campaign has faded into the reality of an Obama White House.</td></tr></table><BR>It goes on to be maybe/maybe not but still....it's CNN for goodness sake.<BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Oct 2009 at 11:43am<br /><br /><P>Yup, slimmer margins than the grocery business.</P><P>I've noticed more than a couple of negative stories as well. Is the bloom coming off the rose?</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Oct 2009 at 11:42am<br /><br />Is it me, or are some of the MSM publishing..uh...'less than favorable' stories about the Obamanation lately?&nbsp; <br><br>Considering the source/agency, this is surprising:<br><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iorq8FSpX_4LX_UG_xHQIjJY3SvgD9BI5VB00" target="_blank">FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Oct 2009 at 4:54am<br /><br /><P>That's my understanding but there hasn't been any truth in federal budgets for decades.</P><P>In fact government accounting makes Enron look positively honest.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 Oct 2009 at 4:47am<br /><br />Let's see...one of the versions (Senate) of Obamacare cut three or four hundred billion from the original package.&nbsp; But I heard that actually that is more smoke and mirrors. That the savings were achieved mostly by shifting some costs from the Federal end...to the State run Medicaid programs.&nbsp; I haven't fact checked, but sounds normal for D.C. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Oct 2009 at 8:25pm<br /><br />LOL!&nbsp; sick?&nbsp; (I think we're all a french fry short of a happy meal.) <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="middle" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Oct 2009 at 12:53pm<br /><br />Well...it kinda irked me.&nbsp; He doesn't want to help the "sick, poor or unattractive" and though I only hit one out of those three...it hurts. (I'll let you decide which one...<img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Oct 2009 at 5:39am<br /><br />Karl - You nailed it.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Oct 2009 at 3:56am<br /><br />Thought of the last couple comments when reading <a href="http://d.yimg.com/a/p/umedia/20091022/largeimage.0449cb774087415f7bb22ef56d3ac01c.gif" target="_blank">this mornings Dilbert</a>.&nbsp; I assume Dogbert must be a aspiring left-wing politician. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Oct 2009 at 4:28pm<br /><br />Because I'm cheap with other people's money....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Oct 2009 at 4:19pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonWatkins</strong></em><br /><br /><p>Of course I'm even cheap with other peoples money.</p></td></tr></table><br><br>Then why ain't you POTUS?!!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Oct 2009 at 10:38am<br /><br /><P>Yeah, but it's not their money, it's yours so no compunction about spending it.</P><P>Of course I'm even cheap with other peoples money.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Oct 2009 at 5:57am<br /><br />Oops.&nbsp; Ended that post too soon. My point being...at least in our house...money is money. Doesn't much matter where exactly it comes from or goes to....there's only so much to go around.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Oct 2009 at 5:56am<br /><br />Haven't they been doing this for years with the budget...including some things but not others? Can't remember where I saw a story and "pie" showing discretionary vs non-discretionary spending. (What Congress can change during yearly budgets (like defense spending) and what they can't (like Social Security).&nbsp; If I remember correctly...what is "fixed" is greater than what's not.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Oct 2009 at 5:45am<br /><br /><P>There is no level of deception that DC will not stood to.</P><P><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704500604574483531025733584.html" target="_blank">The Doctor Fix Is In</a></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Oct 2009 at 10:21pm<br /><br />Very surprising.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Oct 2009 at 1:57pm<br /><br />Surprising...for Time.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 Oct 2009 at 12:36pm<br /><br /><P>And this is from Time.</P><P><a href="http://thepage.time.com/essential-reading-a-close-observer-of-the-health-care-debate-explains-why-obamacare-ismight-be-in-deep-doodoo/" target="_blank">ESSENTIAL READING: A Close Observer of the Health Care Debate Explains Why ObamaCare Is/Might be in Deep Doodoo</a></P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Oct 2009 at 5:19pm<br /><br />Truth be told, I've never looked up their voting history. It was changed to 60 when?&nbsp; Why 60? Why not a simple majority 51?&nbsp; I should look it up sometime. Maybe tonight...if the phone ever quits ringing.<br><br>I'd like these folks to go nuclear....&nbsp; I thought today, wow, I'm turning into an angry white man. Then realized, no....I'm just an absolutely disgusted American.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 Oct 2009 at 11:20am<br /><br /><P>Get yer programs here, you can't tell the players without a program...</P><P><a href="http://www.human&#101;vents.com/article.php?id=34004" target="_blank">Next Step As Obamacare Goes Nuclear</a></P><P>Rangel sets it up so that it can be passed in the Senate with 51 votes. Will they dare pull that trigger? If they do can they get 51 votes or would some marginal rats Senators balk fearing for their jobs? Or do they plan to do away with elections?</P><P>We know that Reid is probably toast and ditto Bacus, I expect there are more than a handful of others that would go down because of this. </P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Oct 2009 at 2:28pm<br /><br />Glad to hear she is doing well.&nbsp; <br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Oct 2009 at 8:04am<br /><br />Woohoo, that's some aneurysm.&nbsp; I always picture them as little bitty things like pea sized.&nbsp; My wife had one that the Drs. monitored and it was down in the 5/6 MM size range.<br>My sis, who is 84 but perking right along, just had some major heart work done which would fall into the same "too old" catagory I think.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 Oct 2009 at 4:06am<br /><br />We were over at a long-time family friends last night...a couple whose been married around 45 years..but still act like newlyweds. <br><br>They were laughing about it was a good thing Merlin had his heart surgery before Obamacare came in...or he'd probably be deemed too old for major repair work.&nbsp; (He's 70, though the docs say he has the inner-workings of someone 20-30 years younger.)&nbsp; They are probably right...I imagine Obamacare would exclude heart surgery, a week in ICU and an pacemaker/defib implant not "cost effective" for a 70 year old retired farmer.&nbsp; <br><br>Oh...probably sounds strange saying he had to have all that done but has the inner workings of someone 20-30 years younger.&nbsp; A rare thing. He'd been having chest pains and stuff for a year or more. The hospital kept telling him it was "acid reflux".&nbsp; A little over a week ago his wife dragged him in to the ER during a "acid reflux" spell, and an old doc did some scan with a dye and found he had a aneurysm on his aorta.&nbsp; So off to the heart center he went where they fixed that and a leaky valve.&nbsp; The docs said it was a miracle he was still kicking as the aneurysm was larger than they expect to find...between the size of a baseball and softball.&nbsp; Big enough that it was pushing his heart sideways into his ribcage.&nbsp; <br><br>Yep. Acid reflux.&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Oct 2009 at 2:50pm<br /><br />Yeah, that single vote allowed them to spin a lot on it being "bi-partisan". Sheesh.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Oct 2009 at 2:49pm<br /><br />Oh...I just read a short blurb from Krauthammer(sp?) that Obama is going to be one surprised puppy when Snowe bails out on him . (Because she thinks it is better than the status quo, but not if it gets changed very much.) His prediction I guess.<br><br>Bi-partisan huh?! Crud. Two zillion liberals and one Republican = "bi-partisan". Talk about clutching at straws.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Oct 2009 at 2:45pm<br /><br />You bet!! And this from the folks who express such outrage over salaries and bonus payments in the private sector.&nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Oct 2009 at 8:40am<br /><br /><P>And this from See BS.</P><P><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/13/cbsnews_investigates/main5382699.shtml" target="_blank">No Debating Congress' Lavish Health Care</a></P><P>That's the kind of plan I want.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Oct 2009 at 4:25pm<br /><br />Interesting. Thought it might be better to go by <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Electi&#111;nMapPurpleCounty.jpg" target="_blank">county</a> instead of state?<br><br>Hm. Didn't Obama use Mayo Clinic as a good example of a hospital group and Medicare or Medicaid??<br><a href="http://www.azcentral.com/ariz&#111;narepublic/business/articles/2009/10/09/20091009biz-mayoclinic1009.html" target="_blank">Mayo unit no longer to accept Medicare</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Oct 2009 at 3:11pm<br /><br /><P>Yee haw, I like this.</P><P><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/107941/let-the-red-states-secede.html" target="_blank">Let the Red States Secede</a></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">In case you missed it, Sens. Chuck Schumer, D-New York, and Tom Carper, D.-Delaware, are considering a proposal that may, at long last, break the logjam over health-care reform.<BR><BR>They would create a public health insurer, the so-called "public option," but allow individual states to opt out if they wanted.</td></tr></table><BR>I was thinking earlier that anyone who thought that health care was too expensive could limit themselves to drugs and procedures available prior to, say, 1975 and those of us who wanted anything later could continue as is but this is even better!<BR></P><P>The article says that blue states pay in way, way more taxes than red states in which case it'd work out better for them so by all means, let's do it. Sounds like a win, win.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 Oct 2009 at 2:58pm<br /><br /><P>First there's this.</P><P><a href="http://www.omaha.com/article/20091013/AP13/310139875" target="_blank">Unions will oppose Baucus bill unless it's changed</a></P><P>From what I gather from the news crawl on TV the finance committee passes bill with the help of Olympia Snowe.</P><P>Guess Obama's checked cleared.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Oct 2009 at 5:21pm<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091012/ap_&#111;n_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul_insurers" target="_blank">Dems scramble after warning from health insurers </a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 Oct 2009 at 4:42pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564501,00.html" target="_blank">17-Pound, 4-Month-Old Baby Denied Health Insurance for Being Too Fat </a><br><br>Unless this insurance company is pro-Obama and pro-government health care...they are really dumb. No...make that stupid.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Oct 2009 at 7:06am<br /><br />Health Care Bill. I haven't actually looked for it. Starting to sound like a Pearl Harbor attack by the far left:<br><a href="http://www.traditi&#111;nalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=3760" target="_blank">http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=3760</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Oct 2009 at 2:56pm<br /><br />She done be mugged....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Oct 2009 at 2:00pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">What makes this a double blow is that my experience contradicts so much of what I wrote for political leaders over the last decade. That's a terrible feeling, too. I typed line after line that said everything Massachusetts did would make health insurance more affordable. If I had a dollar for every time I typed, "universal coverage will lower premiums," I could pay for my own health care at Massachusetts's rates.</td></tr></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Oct 2009 at 1:52pm<br /><br />But...it's much easier (and more profitable) to tax people than to make them exercise...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Oct 2009 at 12:30pm<br /><br /><P>I can't find where we talked about this so I'll stick it here.</P><P><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574455464120581696.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories" target="_blank">Coke Didn't Make America Fat</a></P><P>Excellent write up including lots of hard, cold facts.</P><P>While I avoid sugar (not for weight reasons) I've never been able to figure the attack on beverages since, as the article points out, they only have a modest amount of calories.</P><P>140 calories? I'm figuring that's about, or less, than that in a bottle of beer. And the guys I know don't stop at one bottle....</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Oct 2009 at 12:24pm<br /><br /><P>The Heritage Foundation looks in the CBO scoring of health care reform.</P><P><a href="http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/08/morning-bell-the-baucus-bait-and-switch/" target="_blank">The Baucus Bait And Switch</a></P><P>I heard one talking head this morning saying that the price tag also includes $120b in taxes on health care companies. Maybe Emmanual and Axelrod will pick up that tab, too.</P><P>In other news a liberal gets mugged.</P><P><a href="http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/10/08/health-care-speechwriter-for-edwards-obama-and-clint&#111;n-doesnt/" target="_blank">Health Care Speechwriter for Edwards, Obama &amp; Clinton Without Insurance Now</a></P><P>Moves from DC to Mass and can't afford RomneyCare.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Oct 2009 at 7:26am<br /><br />Emmanual?&nbsp; Axelrod?&nbsp; Shuuurre!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Oct 2009 at 4:16am<br /><br />I wonder who paid for the lab coats?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Oct 2009 at 3:43am<br /><br />Maybe they pull a "Johnny Cash" on health care? Instead of one big package, "One piece at a time"??&nbsp; There were some headline blurbs on a news page this morning. Healthcare package pegged at $829 billion. Then some other programs: $50 billion for high speed rail. $80 billion for some other needy program. And I thought....whoa...$50 here, $50 there, here $80, thee $80...pretty soon we've got another $800 billion...one smaller piece at a time. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5" rel="nofollow">Bob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2009 at 10:22pm<br /><br />I saw the news clips and the story also.&nbsp; This White House is the fictional White House, the Illusionist White House - Let's create the illusion of support whatever it takes.&nbsp; Order 35 white coats for those docs and make 'em wear 'em.&nbsp; Did you know that fewer Drs belong to the AMA than don't?&nbsp; I noticed that my primary care doc didn't belong and we had a small discussion about that.&nbsp; Big membership fees and little in return and other valid reasons.&nbsp; I believe I read that the AMA supports the Obamaplan but so what?&nbsp; Like the AARP supports it, but so what?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2009 at 10:06pm<br /><br />Remember on Monday the group of 150 doctors at the White House to show their support for Obama's Obamacare?<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/05/obama-hold-doctors-summit-effort-promote-health-care-overhaul-agenda/" target="_blank">Obama Holds Doctors' Summit in Effort to Promote Health Care Overhaul</a><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">...the doctors in the Rose Garden were all supporters of health care reform -- and the invitation-only guest list drew heavily from Doctors for America, a grassroots organization that backs a government-run insurance option.</td></tr></table><br><br>When I saw that on the news, I wondered whose idea it was for everybody to wear white coats.&nbsp; According to the report I heard tonight, the White House handed out the while coats. Visual effects.&nbsp; Plus the grassroots doctors actually is astroturf.&nbsp; The same report back-traced it to the DNC.&nbsp; And per the same report...4 out of 5 doctors donated money to Obama's campaign.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2009 at 8:35pm<br /><br />Well said.&nbsp; I find myself on that page as well.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2009 at 5:36pm<br /><br />HeeHee I'd already planned to post a quote of his here, and I guess this is as good a place as any:<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">The older I get, the more I learn to tolerate human shortcomings-- and the less I tolerate bad attitudes.</td></tr></table><br><br>I'm glad I'm not the only one.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2009 at 5:30pm<br /><br /><br><a href="http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell100709.php3" target="_blank">Random Thoughts: Thomas Sowell</a><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">When politicians propose some hugely expensive new program and are asked how the government is going to pay for it, a standard ploy over the years has been to claim that they will pay for it by eliminating "waste, fraud and abuse." At a recent town hall meeting, a citizen raised the obvious question: If you can do that, why haven't you done it already?</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2009 at 4:33pm<br /><br /><P>I also believe that the moon is made out of cheese. Government cheese.</P><P><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33214558/ns/politics-health_care_re&#102;orm/" target="_blank">CBO: Health care bill to cost $829 billion</a></P><P>Medicare is running 11 times the estimated cost.</P><P>Uh huh, sure, you bet.</P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2009 at 4:40am<br /><br /><P>I was pretty young but my parents both thought that a SS number would become a national ID identifier and they weren't alone, it was a common conservative concern in the 50s (and probably before).</P><P>Heck, that's come to be the case. Of course they can be faked but there ya go, the next steps will simply be one of technology to tighten it all up.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2009 at 4:37am<br /><br />You know the old saying, "It's dangerous when stupid people get together in large groups." (Being a college educated elitist does make ya 'smart'. They might be super-intelligent, but still be stupid.)<br><br>Won't even need a national ID card thing for payroll and expenses once IBM's portable DNA scanner gets the bugs worked out.&nbsp; Sometimes SciFi isn't so much fiction.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2009 at 4:16am<br /><br /><P>Ya know, I've always said it as a semi-joke: "Why not just take it all and take care of us" but I'm beginning to believe that, realize it or not, that's the end game.</P><P>I don't want to believe it because 1) it would mean that they're smarter than I give them credit for which makes them even more dangerous and 2) it would mean that there's no practical way out of this but doggone, there it is.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Oct 2009 at 4:06am<br /><br />Oh darn. Gosh...can you believe it?&nbsp; <br><br><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/06/b-taxes-senate-health/" target="_blank">Senate Health Bill Imposes $29B More in Taxes</a> A few billion here, a few billion there...pretty soon you've got another trillion...<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Oct 2009 at 6:38am<br /><br /><P>I wasn't aware of this previously.</P><P><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574446831381142174.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" target="_blank">Opting Out of Medicare</a></P><P>If you opt out of Medicare you are denied SS benefits?</P><P>I don't understand the logic of this. Seems to me that Medicare is broke, why not let people opt out if they want to pay for other insurance, especially since they're already paid for Medicare?</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Oct 2009 at 6:24am<br /><br /><P>Probably a good reason but still....@#% heartless insurance company. </P><P><a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/10/06/deny-guess-who-has-highest-medical-claim-rejecti&#111;n-rate" target="_blank">Deny This: Guess Who Has the Highest Medical Claim Rejection Rate?</a></P><P>Opps. Heartless government.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 Oct 2009 at 6:14am<br /><br /><P><a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55038" target="_blank">Gibbs: Obama Has Only ‘Read a Decent Part’ of Health Care Bill</a></P><P>Yeah, but the real fun is in the indecent part.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Oct 2009 at 3:00pm<br /><br />Hehe, a small item that very few seem to notice....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Oct 2009 at 2:44pm<br /><br />Shoot. The only two options are single or family of four.<br><br>I like this:<br>"Government subsidy: xxxx"<br>There isn't any government subsidy...unless they are just going to print more money to make up the difference.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Oct 2009 at 9:40am<br /><br /><P>Whoops, somebody let the cat out of the bag.</P><P><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_affordability" target="_blank">Health insurance bills could be hardship for many</a></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">A family of four headed by a 45-year-old making $63,000 a year is in the middle of the middle class. But that family would pay $7,110 to buy its own health insurance under the plan from the committee chairman, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont.<BR><BR>The family would get a tax credit of $3,970 to help pay for a policy worth $11,080. But the balance due — $7,110 — is real money. Maybe it's less than the rent, but it's probably more than a car loan payment.</P><P>Kaiser's calculator doesn't take into account co-payments and deductibles that could add hundreds of dollars, even several thousand, to a family's total medical expenses. A Congressional Budget Office analysis estimates total expenses could average 20 percent of income for some families by 2016.</td></tr></table><BR>Yeow!!!!</P><P>And they've been trying to pass this off as something cheaper. </P><P> <BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Oct 2009 at 9:22am<br /><br /><P>Haha, this should probably be in quiz knows and dunnos but the objective here is to understand 10% of what is on this web site.</P><P><a href="http://www.cms.hhs.gov/" target="_blank">Centers for Medicare and Medicare Services</a></P><P>This isn't a joke, this is the actual web site that health care providers use. Of special fun is the "Regulations &amp; Guidance" link on that page.</P><P>Sheesh.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Oct 2009 at 7:26am<br /><br /><P>They are sure lobbying Pelosi and their friends to exempt union plans from the extra tax. Sorry suckers.</P><P><BR></P><P>Where my honey works has been going through new contract negotations for quite some time. I can't remember the name of it right now, but it leaves as bad of a taste in my mouth as "Homeland Security" does.</P><P><BR></P><P>Anyhow...I did a fast read of their latest proposal for her.  My only comment was, "It's no wonder they (her company or any company) don't make any money."  Not that I don't think they have valid concerns....but I don't think their union rules give employees any incentive to be productive or improve.  Of course, employers (most) don't have much incentive either to reward or accommodate loyalty or longevity.  </P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Oct 2009 at 7:02am<br /><br /><P>Yeah, that's what I haven't been able to get, unions have the best plans, they're going to come out behind on this deal.</P><P>Unless they think that their gold plated plans are going to go away because companies like GM are simply going to go out of bidness.</P><P><BR></P><P><BR></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Oct 2009 at 7:01am<br /><br /><P>ROFL  OK...maybe not "funny funny"...more ironic funny:</P><P><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/wp-dyn/c&#111;ntent/article/2009/09/30/AR2009093004730.html" target="_blank">Be careful what you push for...you might just get it</A>.</P><P>And what is a "Cadillac" health insurance plan that will get taxed extra? Oops...the far left supporters like Unions ain't gonna like the answer.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Oct 2009 at 8:28pm<br /><br />I think this is the first smart thing I've ever read by someone from GM University:<br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Alex Tabarrok, an economics professor at George Mason University, said that consumers, not the device suppliers, would most end up getting hurt.<br><br>"In a perfectly competitive market, you can only tax people. You can't really tax firms," he said.</td></tr></table><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Oct 2009 at 8:23pm<br /><br />The deviousness of these folks never ceases to amaze me.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Oct 2009 at 4:37am<br /><br /><P>More on "medical device" taxes. They're like the bogie man, you can't kill him...</P><P><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/02/medical-devices-taxed-baucus-health/" target="_blank">Many Medical Devices Still Taxed Under Baucus Health Bill</a></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Sep 2009 at 5:27am<br /><br /><P>Clip of Stossel's piece on "health care reform".</P><P><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9GMKK_fWKg" target="_blank">ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan</a></P><P>I can't believe this aired on ABC. No wonder he's leaving, he probably got fired.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Sep 2009 at 5:18am<br /><br /><P>More background, some of which was new to me.</P><P><a href="http://mises.org/story/3727" target="_blank">The Health-Insurance Market Is Not Free</a></P><P>I've probably told this story a dozen times before but it's worth retelling; when we moved to Seattle a law had been recently passed making insurance companies take anybody and everybody. As a result of bunch of people with no previous insurance and very serious and expensive illnesses flocked there to get insurance. Basically the insurance companies quit selling individual coverage leaving only a state run program that was so incompetent that no one ever got signed up (as far as I was ever able to tell).</P><P>Even though I was self employed and had my own company it was still hard for me to get us "company" insurance but with a very helpful agent I was able to do so. However when we returned to Texas we were unable to keep it, they company wanted to, but said it was flat out illegal and even showed me the law that didn't allow them to continue coverage since our mailing address had changed.</P><P>I got us insurance from a company licensed to do business here in Texas, BC/BS of Texas instead of BC/BS of Wa, but they had discontinued the policy that we had in Wa. and the new one wasn't nearly as good, would have preferred to keep the old one.</P><P>But as an aside of that story it raises a point; there is no interstate commerce in health insurance since one can't buy across state lines. Of course it doesn't mean anything these days but it would be very, very hard to make an argument that the Feds have any authority over health insurance based on the commerce cause since there isn't any....</P><P>Not that that dusty old document means anything any longer....</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Sep 2009 at 2:52pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Randy</strong></em><br /><br />If the "Shoe" fits...&nbsp; <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br></td></tr></table>&nbsp; Groan! (Actually...wish I'd that of that myself. LOL)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Sep 2009 at 2:09pm<br /><br /><P>Only a small battle in a larger war.</P><P><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090929/ap_&#111;n_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul;_ylt=Am3WNhQJpqibVeyaAAYXez2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTM1MGV2djUzBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwOTI5L3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX292ZXJoYXVsBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDcHVibGlj" target="_blank">Public plan goes down in Senate Finance Committee</a></P><P>The option could always be added with an amendment on the floor but still, it's not looking popular in the Senate.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Sep 2009 at 5:08am<br /><br />If the "Shoe" fits...&nbsp; <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Sep 2009 at 3:57am<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonWatkins</strong></em><br /><br />Especially when this is one decision you don't get a do over on....</td></tr></table></P><P><BR></P><P>Today's <a href="http://d.yimg.com/a/p/uc/20090929/largeimagetmsho090929.gif" target="_blank">Shoe</A> seems appropriate. HeeHee</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Sep 2009 at 4:54pm<br /><br /><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204488304574434933462691154.html" target="_blank">Michael O. Leavitt, Al Hubbard and Keith Hennessey: Health ‘Reform’ Is Income Redistribution -</a><br>Can't say I understand all this. But then...I don't understand much of it anyway.&nbsp; LOL<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Sep 2009 at 2:58pm<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9" rel="nofollow">Randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Sep 2009 at 12:26pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Karl_db</strong></em><br /><br />So true. You never know for sure what you will do till it's done did.&nbsp; <br>So long as I don't have to wait for the Fat Lady to sing; hate opera. LOL)<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Now I see why you stay with Firefox.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Sep 2009 at 4:15am<br /><br />Yeah. There's that...it's forever-and-a-day.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Sep 2009 at 3:59am<br /><br />Especially when this is one decision you don't get a do over on....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2009 at 5:02pm<br /><br />So true. You never know for sure what you will do till it's done did.&nbsp; <br>So long as I don't have to wait for the Fat Lady to sing; hate opera. LOL)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2009 at 10:55am<br /><br />I'm in the same mind but then I figure I won't know how I'll come down on it for sure until I'm fishing off that pier.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2009 at 10:48am<br /><br />Thinking about this "end of life" stuff made me think of my conversation with my ex-boss yesterday. We're kind of both the same about that...some folks might call it a fatalistic view. We think it's more realistic in that there is more to life than physical existence.&nbsp; But we can decide that stuff on our own...don't need no government agency pulling the plug.<br><br>Anywho...he mentioned a relative, distant, of his wife who has terminal cancer. But he just asked Kirk, ""Was it really worth it....they've spent over a million bucks just to keep me alive for maybe six months longer. They know I'm going to die anyway..if it would have just been me...."<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2009 at 9:55am<br /><br />HeeHee Yeah. But I figure that there are some places the government wouldn't even bother with. Remote. Isolated. Not worth the time or effort to weed out some insignificant kooks that have no contact with anybody else or vise versa. Kind of like the MacArthur doctrine.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2009 at 9:41am<br /><br />Not even then, you'd have to pay rent to the government (taxes).]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2009 at 9:36am<br /><br />Not unless you are someplace remote, not worthwhile to bother with, and are totally self-sufficient. <br><br>I don't pay all that much detailed attention to it anymore. I do but I don't. <br><br><dl><dd>The year's at the spring,<br></dd><dd>And day's at the morn;<br></dd><dd>Morning's at seven;<br></dd><dd>The hill-side's dew-pearled;<br></dd><dd>The lark's on the wing;<br></dd><dd>The snail's on the thorn;<br></dd><dd>God's in his Heaven -<br></dd><dd>All's <b style="color: black; : rgb255, 153, 153;">right</b> with the <b style="color: black; : rgb255, 102, 255;">world</b>!</dd></dl><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2009 at 9:20am<br /><br />Yup, I can't think of any way to avoid it other than to be totally without any possessions or property.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2009 at 7:44am<br /><br />Well...I'm not up on black market transactions.&nbsp; And would be too paranoid to try.<br><br>Under five grand isn't reported by banks. Technically. But it is AFAIK if they detect a "pattern" of multiple small amounts if it winds up turning into large amounts.<br><br>It will probably put me into the really "crazy" group...but eventually I feel money will be extinct. And checks. And credit cards.&nbsp; And ???&nbsp; Cashless.<br><br>Got to have a "secure" financial system to protect against theft, tax evaders, fraud, illegal activities, and on and on.&nbsp; How about a "one card" (or "one bank") financial system?&nbsp; (I'm a concept guy...not a "detail" guy.))<br><br>Go to work. (Or welfare.) Get paid. Electronically...to an institution somewhere.&nbsp; Buy gas, groceries, a pack of gum...anything....swipe...swipe...swipe. <br><br>Feel secure in having your mortgage and car paid off. Feeling self-secure and self-sufficient? Don't feel like supporting the official government position and you're mouthy about it?&nbsp; Maybe not a good thing.&nbsp; That home that is paid for but taxes are due...oops...no cash accepted...no checks....no barter...and oddly...your magic card when swiped doesn't seem to work anymore.&nbsp; Sorry about that, you've just lost your home due to non-payment of taxes.<br><br>It's not that far fetched.&nbsp; Look at all the stuff that was either enacted or proposed after 9-11.&nbsp; A few more of them or some other national disasters.....<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2009 at 7:16am<br /><br /><P>Yep, we don't have any of that (privacy) any longer.</P><P>We were watching a movie last night where three guys found a bunch of money and it was silly, they, not being criminals, had no way to launder it so the whole point was silly. </P><P>What would you do with a bunch of cash? It can't be deposited in a bank, it can't be used to buy a car or a house, private financial transactions are a thing of the past.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2009 at 7:11am<br /><br />My ex-boss that was past yesterday mentioned health care and his doctor...a local one in town. The doc is about my age or perhaps five years younger. And told Kirk his plans are to retire in the next four years or so.&nbsp; Regardless of the exact health care overall. According to the doc it one cornerstone is going to be put in place and it doesn't matter whose or what plan is done or not done: health records. They are going to wind up being digital, on computers, portable. And it sounds like a great thing. If you're from Austin and happen to pass out while on a trip to Alaska or London....bing...bang...your medical history is instantly available to emergency room medical personnel.<br><br>But the doc feels the government already has too much on file on individuals and doesn't like the idea of the feds knowing about every little wart (figuratively and literally) in your medical history.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2009 at 3:15pm<br /><br />And I'm sure the pro-Obamacare folks would say, "Well, let the government pay for it so the individual hospitals don't have to." &nbsp; And...exactly who is the government? It's us. The taxpayers. Unless they are just going to print up new currency with Obama's pic on it and call them Obamadollars. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2009 at 3:13pm<br /><br />Yeah, that was et pHarmony dating service.&nbsp; (prisonHarmony) LOL<br><br>Watched the video.&nbsp; Blood pressure? No problem. Actually I just felt like crying in my beer...if I had one.&nbsp; <br><br>That Dennis Miller comedian radio guy actually seems pretty astute in his observations.&nbsp; In that link I posted to a youtube video, he mentioned Obama or the leftists showing these really tear jerking or heart breaking stories. You know...about folks falling through the system.&nbsp; But...he said something to the effect that the heart breaking stories now wouldn't compare to those after the government runs the health care system.&nbsp; And he's right IMO.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2009 at 2:56pm<br /><br /><P>Uh, free dating service?</P><P><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJxmJZXgNI" target="_blank">Testimony of illegal alien care from 1 Florida hospital</a> (Video)</P><P>Don't watch if you have high blood pressure.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2009 at 2:55pm<br /><br />I'll take the year in jail.&nbsp; Free med care. Free clothes. Free meals. Free ...uh...never mind.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2009 at 2:41pm<br /><br /><P>Nah, it's not a tax.</P><P><a href="http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_c&#111;nfirmati&#111;n_.html?showall" target="_blank">Ensign receives handwritten confirmation</a></P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.</td></tr></table><BR>You're just going to the slammer for a year for not paying a "fee".<BR></P><P>Which is kinda cool: jail=free health care.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Sep 2009 at 9:13pm<br /><br />With Obama wanting to make all illegal aliens citizens...the stop lights are all green at the border. <br><br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090923/us_nm/us_mexico_usa_9" target="_blank">A third of Mexicans would migrate to U.S.</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Sep 2009 at 3:16pm<br /><br />Maybe Charley didn't want to get zinged again as he did over Acorn?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Sep 2009 at 5:46am<br /><br /><P>Nothing is going to help Reid outside of voter fraud. His <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c&#111;ntent/politics/electi&#111;ns2/electi&#111;n_2010/electi&#111;n_2010_senate_electi&#111;ns/nevada/electi&#111;n_2010_nevada_senate_race" target="_blank">poll numbers</A> in Nv. are in the ditch and there's not a tow truck big enough...</P><P>Update on the HSS "shut up" to Humana.</P><P><a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2009/09/23/abc-notices-obama-administrati&#111;ns-effort-suppress-criticism-obamacare" target="_blank">ABC Notices Obama Administration's Effort to Suppress Criticism of ObamaCare</A></P><P>I hadn't previously followed it but Humana caved and ceased. Guess they are afraid of repercussions if they don't.</P><P>Some animals are more equal than other animals.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2009 at 6:17pm<br /><br />HeeHee&nbsp; I tried to find a political cartoon I saw someplace.&nbsp; Very appropriate to your Reid comment.&nbsp; Obama was speaking and explaining he was pulling the missile defense out of Europe because it was more urgently needed to protect more important things here at home.&nbsp; And it showed Harry Reid ringed by several of the missiles.&nbsp; (Doubt if they will work.)<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8" rel="nofollow">Don Watkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2009 at 4:05pm<br /><br /><P>They must have a good retirement plan.</P><P>Reid is not going to be re-elected.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 Sep 2009 at 3:59pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/22/senate-committee-begins-work-health-care-re&#102;orm/" target="_blank">Reid Threatens 'Nuclear Option' to Pass Health Care Reform as Panel Starts Work - </a><br><br>And, read a blurb that Obama opposes health insurance crossing state lines...which makes no sense. Google search, news, seems to be on the fritz right now.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.pcnet-online.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6" rel="nofollow">Karl_db</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1078<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 Sep 2009 at 4:12pm<br /><br />I thought about "The true cost of health insurance" today at work. And it struck me that we really don't know the true cost of anything anymore. Nor do we really know how much we make. Too much legal jargon to disguise stuff. Taxes, fees, contributions, you name it. And of course there is the straight wage (that we get to take a little home sometimes), plus insurance benefits, matching employer retirement contributions, etc. &nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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